first impressions of lookin at the sub and picking it up, i thought damnnnn it's one heavy mofo!! the build quaility was superb!!

i then made a 3.cu.ft ported box, and played a 20hz track to loosen it up a abit, and by now i was expecting high hopes for it! i loved the 3 LED's in the middle of the sub, it lit up the whole sub and boot at night, so it had certainly got the looks!

the next day, set the amp and did all the fiddly lil tuning business with gain etc.. etc..

and i played some of my beloved drum and bass and my own produced tracks, the sub was awesome!! the LED's gave a view of the amount of excursion the sub could do! dunno how much it was exactly, but if i had to guess i would say it was at least 2.5 to 3 inches peak to peak!

the sub quite literally shattered my poor lil car! could see the windscreen and doors flying in and out :clown: which is certainly not healthy for my car! :wow:

i was giving the sub 1000wrms or there abouts at 2 ohm ....the sub can easily handle more than that!

the sq on the subs was very good, it hits the low notes i.e 20hz with ease!!! it has a very good response, the bass is warm and crystal clear but at the same time it is loudd :clown: so the sub is a bit of a streetbasser too :p

overall the sub was very pleasing...it produced some amazing bass, very good sq but still loud and low enough for streetbass! well done to phoenix gold!! :love:

edit: i'll be addin sum video footage soon! :clown:

ok guys i got the links of the footage....

15 hz tone :
http://www.soundillusions.net/sites/simzimma/15hzphoenix.zip

20 hz tone:
http://www.soundillusions.net/sites/simzimma/20hz.zip

A good tune ;):
http://www.soundillusions.net/sites/simzimma/owntune.zip

let me know what u lot think :clown:

HEHEHEE nice vids, looking like its got XXX excursion there! :D

Andrew

And the fact that such an overly-glowing review appears on the forum by yourself for this sub, has nothing to do with the fact that your having trouble selling one in the classifieds does it? ;)

Is it me or does the sub look like its slighlty Overexerting?

You can see the surround sort of "fold" out of shape? Or is that normal?

:)

Is it me or does the sub look like its slighlty Overexerting?

You can see the surround sort of "fold" out of shape? Or is that normal?

:)

Thats normally called surround pucker..

Its defo!! on limits. However i've seen handful of subs that suffer from surround problems as you see in these vids before limits..

And the fact that such an overly-glowing review appears on the forum by yourself for this sub, has nothing to do with the fact that your having trouble selling one in the classifieds does it? ;)

yeah and that...but also cos no1 has heard/seen the sub in action...thas probably one the reasons i can't shift it...

so i thought i'd review it, to let u guys see for urself what it's like....i might even keep them :red:

(i must say i was *very* impressed with the vids. OK, the sub was on its limits, but it seemed to be quite happy being there!!!! - i had the money, the power, and could part with my McIntosh sub - I'd have it :D that is a lot of "ifs" though!)

Well, seeing as your trying to sell it, I doubt anyone is going to consider your review accurate...

Well, seeing as your trying to sell it, I doubt anyone is going to consider your review accurate...

doesn't matter to me too much now..

it's up to the person if they want to believe it or not...i certainly didn;t do a biased review

i thought while i got the sub i might aswell do a review of it :D

(i must say i was *very* impressed with the vids. OK, the sub was on its limits, but it seemed to be quite happy being there!!!! - i had the money, the power, and could part with my McIntosh sub - I'd have it :D that is a lot of "ifs" though!)

it's ok i don't think i'll be sellin them so quick, as no1 got the money :p

I don't think "Product Discussion" is the right place to talk up a product you can't shift in the classified section. If you wanted to do a review of the sub here then you should have waited untill the sub was sold or off the market. I have never heard the PG Elite sub and everything you said about might be true but who is going to believe you when you have such a vested interest in selling the product. The very least you should have done is stated your interest in selling the product in the review like other independant distributors do on the forum.

it's up to the person if they want to believe it or not...i certainly didn;t do a biased review


Put it this way, if I was selling my H2 in the classifieds, I woudln't start up a thread here saying that I was dissapointed when I bought it would I? ;)

Lucky the reality is quite to the contrary :D


Bill... Totally agree with you mate...

so ur sayin i should have waited till i sold it then review it?

look yeah i ain;t tryin to shift the sub with this thread...i was just talkin about the product i had/have, i.e. product discussion, the fact that i got it in the classified does not reflect why i did this review on the sub...

i was tryin not to be bias about the sub..tryin to do an honest review on a site which i thought took opinons into account, the only reason i reviewed the sub was so i can tell you lot what it's like...i wasn't tryin to promote my sale of the sub...if u see this is a way of promoting the sale then u are very wrong...

and blade i would have stated if the sub was poor or good no matter if i were sellin it or not, if i stated that the sub didn;t meet my standards then i would be definately lying...it's jus a coincidence that i actually like the sub i'm selling...

sorry if any1 thinks this is biased, then don;t take notice of the review
and sorry if i offended any1 in anyway

I don't think "Product Discussion" is the right place to talk up a product you can't shift in the classified section. If you wanted to do a review of the sub here then you should have waited untill the sub was sold or off the market. I have never heard the PG Elite sub and everything you said about might be true but who is going to believe you when you have such a vested interest in selling the product. The very least you should have done is stated your interest in selling the product in the review like other independant distributors do on the forum.

i didn;t say i was sellin the sub in the review?? :question:

guys youre all being too harsh IMO. I dont think the review is very biased, hes just happy with his sub.

None of you get upset with Am saying the XXX uses the most up to date technology in a sub etc....... (Am, you KNOW i dont mean that in a hard way, you are always the most useful example :p) so why does it matter that this guy likes his sub, decided two was too much, and is selling one?

(if he was selling both I'd be concerned that he was just piping lies in this thread, but he is keeping one, and you all watched the videos, all he said in the review pretty much was "this is damn loud", and it CERTAINLY appeared that)

Stu "the self made mod" the mong. ;)

yeah i dont think there is much to complain about with this thread, he didnt mention he was selling it, i didnt even know, i just watched the vids and went HEHEHE thats cool ! :D

Andrew

that was my first expression too, react,! HEHEHE, for some reason it was attracting pigeons?? there was like loads sitting infront of the car all of a sudden, then when we put it off, they flew away? :)

I too think your being a bit harsh on the guy i thought it was a down to earth review i would never spend 900 quid on a sub however its good to know what your money can buy if you want to spend the cash i think il still be sticking to my plan of getting a h2 but its the first guy iv'e seen with the balls to risk screwing a 900 quid sub to do a review on it. I know I for one wouldn't put that sort of excursion on a sub worth that amount just to try sell/review it. Well done that man for having the balls to try it.

Just my 2p worth

This area of the forum is meant to contain either questions or informed comments about car audio products. If everybody who puts an item in here is also selling the product in the classified section it becomes no better then a glorified advertising arena. I personnally don't think the review should have not been put in till the product was sold.

People like Am, Van Dave and other distributors on the forum ensure that people know they are selling the product when talking about it. They also tend to put articles about their goods in the news/press release section where people are aware its coming from a company/distributor.

I have never heard the PG Elite sub and possibly the review is bang on. PG are a top company and the Elite is their top of the range product and as such you would expect it to be good. Also I am not meaning to have a go at Simzimma, this part of the forum is fairly new and exactly what the moderators allow to go in here I'm sure is still being decided upon on a thread by thread basis. If people want this to turn into an extension of the classified section then thats fine but in that case lets not pretend everybody will give a totally inbiased review of the product they are selling like Simzimma has of his sub. The problem then becomes who is being biased and who is not. Conversely we could try and keep this area for reviews/questions where people have no imminent financial interest.

i agree with ur point of view, but i also believe i am right...we could be at this all day...sorry if this thread came accross as being a glorified sale extension

i did the review, but where else could i put the thread? i am talkin about a product, and i am talkin about what it does etc.. exactly what the product disscussion section is all about

this part of the forum is not jus based on questions of products etc... it's a disscussion, which is not always meanin askin questions about product... now i'm no mod but i think that this section was just made to talk about products etc.. this is exactly what i am doin...am i not?

the thing is if u read my classified thread i am only sellin one out of the 2...therefore i think it is in my right to do a review on the sub that i am not sellin...as it's my sub...so in effect this sub is not really on for sale

i think i am in the right by doin the review of the sub that i own, it's up to the people who wish to buy the other sub if they want to take into account this review....the matter of the fact is that i know not many people have heard the sub....i just wanted to share what i thought of the sub with all of u lot!

guys youre all being too harsh IMO. I dont think the review is very biased, hes just happy with his sub.

None of you get upset with Am saying the XXX uses the most up to date technology in a sub etc....... (Am, you KNOW i dont mean that in a hard way, you are always the most useful example :p) so why does it matter that this guy likes his sub, decided two was too much, and is selling one?

(if he was selling both I'd be concerned that he was just piping lies in this thread, but he is keeping one, and you all watched the videos, all he said in the review pretty much was "this is damn loud", and it CERTAINLY appeared that)

Stu "the self made mod" the mong. ;)

yup.. i agree :)

everyone pimps their own stuff on here, you cant expect them not too..

lets not burn this guy at the stake :)

two were too much eh?? exactly the same as hackitt.. bought two and decided to flog one..

james

well 2 weren;t too much...jus that 1 was 'enough' :)

well 2 weren;t too much...jus that 1 was 'enough' :)

Thats rare on here "restraint", One of the more interesting things about this sub is that it is field sevicable cone/coil assembly so if you pop it you can fix it yourself there also appears to be an extreme SQ assembly available as well

Sweet baby Jesus! Them, there, are some cool vids! :D :lol: :D

Dan

Thats rare on here "restraint", One of the more interesting things about this sub is that it is field sevicable cone/coil assembly so if you pop it you can fix it yourself there also appears to be an extreme SQ assembly available as well

yeah it's got lots of screws on the underside which enable you to take apart the sub

You can say what you want when you want, if the mods don't like it they can move it. Nice review

Do you think the sub is going to sell, now that people have seen you throwing 20hz tones through it @ the limits of it's suspension?

Do you think the sub is going to sell, now that people have seen you throwing 20hz tones through it @ the limits of it's suspension?

Hes got two....hes using one and selling one (that he prob hasnt used)

:)

I added my bit to highlight why the surround had pinch marks, not unusual at all.

fwiw this post seems to be spammed with bs..

thats 1 nice lookin sub. shame its out of my price range tho! lol

Do you think the sub is going to sell, now that people have seen you throwing 20hz tones through it @ the limits of it's suspension?

i have 2 subs...one is my own...and the other one is still in it's box, unused....

rich, cmon dude, go easy on him :)

all i will say is that it is a nice looking sub that MOVES some serious air (or at least it appears so :D)

it moves lots of air!! :)

I'm just not sure how people can judge this review without even having heard the sub, regardless of whether he is trying to sell one or not. And before I get painted with the same brush I too have an unused one that I would sell for the right offer.

Being another of the rare minority that has even heard this sub let alone own one, I can only agree with the initial post, the videos rightly speak for themselves with regard output, and I know that from my own application that it is a tremendous SQ sub.

I think it falls into a catergory that Amit attributed to the Elite comps in that it has no real sound of it's own, more that you can make it sound or suit the application you wish to employ it for.

It also seems stange that as has been previously mentioned that we both brought two subs and after installing one, found it to be more than enough for our needs, guess this just speaks postively of the one we have installed and not negatively of the one we are selling.

Lastly no one moans when someone posts a link in the classifieds to an independant review of a product, unfortunatly i'm not aware of too many of those referencing an Elite, so the writer took the logical step to provide more information on the product he was selling, and he did this in the area I thought was designed for it, Product Review.

Ignoring all the other politics do any of the people that were complaining actually believe that any of the claims he made in his review are false?

All IMHO.

Paul

I don't believe its a false review... I'm sure its not a bad product either... Hell, I even went pricing one up when I went looking for my last sub...

Sure, i'd trust an independant review, but it has to be that... I would be very sceptical of a review that had been written by somebody who was trying to sell the exact same product, especially with all the problems its had selling at the current time...

As I mentioned in a previous post... I can't see anyone writing a negative review for a product their trying to sell... Which kinda removes the point of a review, assuming its meant to be accurate and honest...

Just my 2p

As I mentioned in a previous post... I can't see anyone writing a negative review for a product their trying to sell... Which kinda removes the point of a review, assuming its meant to be accurate and honest...

Just my 2p

Maybe, but the fact he has 2 and is using 1 still, tells you its not ****. He loves it so much he is still running 1.

Its not like he only has 1 and is giving a good review to help flog it, he is doing the review as he loves the sub he is using and will still be using and he also has one for sale.

How many people run Helix??? not a lot. Why?? because not many people have heard them and not the correct people have heard them. I love Helix as do the people who run it. The reason he can't sell his sub is the same, it might be a great sub, but not many people have heard it/seen it or seen it recommended.

Helix - not many people have heard them and not the correct people have heard them.

name and shame, dale :D

Yeah, but Dale... If you came to sell those Helix comps of yours, and they just weren't shifting on the forum, I think there would be a few eyebrows raised if you suddenly happened to write a glowing TCA style review of em...

I wouldn't have to, others would. Others who use them (all 3 of them ;)), would see and say how good they are, like when people see Rainbow, ID for sale.

Who is around to say the PG Elite is good?

I ain't saying it's a correct, or wrong review... Personally, I'd expect it to be a decent performer... But what i'm saying, is that it's a bias (as well as very poorly written) review... Thats my opinion, perhaps I don't have as much faith in human honesty, but even if this chap was trying to write an honest and accurate review, I'm not sure he could... It's very difficult to write an unbias review of a piece of kit you own... If your happy with it, theres always a little part of you that wants to shout about how great it is, and press the shortcomings a little less...

any review written or recomendation by someone who owns the equipment is biased. The whole forum is biased, i love my helix, i recommend them, you love your H2, you recommend them, micb loves infinity, he recommends them, samuelellis loves Blaupunkt and recommends them. All biased as you own them.

any review written or recomendation by someone who owns the equipment is biased. The whole forum is biased, i love my helix, i recommend them, you love your H2, you recommend them, micb loves infinity, he recommends them, samuelellis loves Blaupunkt and recommends them. All biased as you own them.

Definitely :)

But to different extents... And I think this one pushes the boundaries a little bit... Some people won't think the same, but we'll see what peoples opinions of the review is, and see whether it sells :)

I don't think anybody has said that this is not a good sub. What I'm saying is that this is not the place in the forum to use to help sell your goods. The review was published 4 days after he advertised it the classified section and got next to no response in terms of serious buyers. Now that may just be bad timing and I don't want to have a go at Simzimma in particular. I just feel if this part of the forum is to be useful to members they should be able to read the reviews here without wondering if the guy has a vested interested in the product.

Whether Simzimma has 1 or 2 subs is immaterial, he still wants to sell and therefore has a vested interest in the subs review. It should also be noted that the review does not mention a single negative aspect. I've got a Diamond TDX 12" sub, another one in the plus 500 pounds range. I love this sub and have no intention of selling it but I can think of a couple of negative points. Are we to believe the PG Elite is perfect, its beautifully built, does Sq, does streetbass and goes very loud and doesn't have a single flaw?

There would have been no problem if Simzimma had not printed the review until the sub was off the market. Would have waiting a couple of weeks really have hurt if the idea was not to push the sub.

Do we want everybody whose selling some equipment putting a review in this segment containing all the positives and none of the negatives.

The fact that not many people have heard this sub is irrelevant, self praise is no praise I'm afraid. Would you be convinced by a new product just based on the retailers opinion of it? Would you be happy if you read what you thought was an independant review and found out later it was by a guy trying to sell the product.

The independant distributors on this forum have shown the way forward I think in that they now clearly display that they have an interest in the products they are recommending. I think it only right that other members follow this lead and clearly state in a review that they are trying to sell the product. Thsi as already been done by several members, I can't remember their names but I have read reviews of a spl sub and Id Max speakers by members who went on to sell the items several weeks/months later. These guys quite clearly stated in the classified section when they were selling the product that it was they who wrote the reviews. This is as it should be and I have nothing but respect for these people for being honest. It also adds weight to the original review in my opinion because it underlines their honesty.

This is not to harshly criticise Simzimma. This is the first time this as happened in this section that I can remember and no rules have been set. If the majority of members are happy with people selling in the classified and posting reviews here at the same time then so be it. At least then we can all treat the reviews here with a large pinch of salt.

this thread it getting a bit out of hand...all i wanted to do was review this product i recently bought...

in light of what mrspikepuma said...how many times have i told you...i'm not tryin to sell my product in this part of the forum, and i have had much interest from people in my sub, before i published the review... so there is no need for me to 'big up' my sub here...and the reason why i did the review is cos i wanted to...i have the sub runnin in my car..and this is a forum where i can tell u lot what I personally thought of the sub! whether u believe what i say or not!

and i agree to what madmax said :)

just out of curiosity, why did you buy 2 and why are you selling 1 of them.

I bought 2 thinking that 1 wouldn;t be enough...and plus i thought had room in car to put 2 in, but i don't..the box has to be 2.75 cu.ft each ported..in a saloon car..if i fit both in the car i.e. build the box into the boot..then i wouldn;t have much boot space left for daily driving! as my bro uses the car for work aswell

which IMO opinion is perfectly valid reason for selling something which is as good as you say it is in your review.

As i said all reviews are biased if you own the equipment. BUT if you use the equipment and love it, it must sound decent and must be worth the money you paid for it. I always find it strange when people recommend stuff they don't have, used or heard in a variety of systems or even heard at all.

i do understand what ur sayin, it's very true! i certainly love the sub...it gives exactly what i want from a sub! :)

shame i don;t have enough room for both to go in car :(