as above really
:confused:

And with GPRS, you pay per data amount received, not time connected, like WAP.

GPRS costs lots. I get cheap/free WAP because I can connect my N-Gage to Freeserve under my normal account. O2 consider this a local call and I get lots of free minutes. Works quite nicely, if slow :)

Last time I checked, GPRS was still too damn expensive. :(

And Gary, I know you're afraid of mobile phones so surely this can't be for you ;)

HB

GPRS costs lots. I get cheap/free WAP because I can connect my N-Gage to Freeserve under my normal account. O2 consider this a local call and I get lots of free minutes. Works quite nicely, if slow :)

Last time I checked, GPRS was still too damn expensive. :(

And Gary, I know you're afraid of mobile phones so surely this can't be for you ;)

HB


HB not affarid just they didnt do what i wanted till now:o

GPRS is a packet based (or packet switched) transport, whereas WAP relies on a circuit switched data transport.

GPRS is analagous to a broadband Internet connection (you receive the frames - or cells, IIRC), whereas WAP is more like a dial-up service.

Everyone calls GPRS "3G", but this isn't strictly true. GPRS is more like 2.5G - true 3G is based on the UMTS transport, which is a lot faster.

B

GPRS is a packet based (or packet switched) transport, whereas WAP relies on a circuit switched data transport.

GPRS is analagous to a broadband Internet connection (you receive the frames - or cells, IIRC), whereas WAP is more like a dial-up service.

Everyone calls GPRS "3G", but this isn't strictly true. GPRS is more like 2.5G - true 3G is based on the UMTS transport, which is a lot faster.

B
Your spot on there benny, GPRS is not 3G, it is infact 2.5G,

WTF is 3g then

i thought u got that when cornering in a sorted nova:confused:

3G - to my understanding - denoted a "third generation" network transport - namely the UMTS system.

UMTS stands for "Universal Mobile Telecommunications System", and is a frame-switching, WCDMA based network,It runs at the following speeds, based upon coverage and density:

144 kbits/s in outdoor rural areas
384 kbits/s in outdoor urban areas
2048 kbits/s indoors and short range outdoors

It also incorporates four QoS traffic queues, and I confess, I had to look these up, as its been a long time since I've dealt with UMTS!

Conversational class (voice, video telephony, video gaming)
Streaming class (multimedia, video on demand, webcast)
Interactive class (web browsing, network gaming, database access)
Background class (email, SMS, downloading)

So broadly similar to any DSCP / soft QoS based network. It is theoretically possible to deploy QoS classes over 802.11b, too.

I've seen UMTS used as a LAN transport service before, running at something like 15Mbit/sec, but this was in a development lab up at Cisco, and it wasn't a technology they went any further with due to the ratification of 802.11a.

Think of it as GPRS on steroids...

B

3G - to my understanding - denoted a "third generation" network transport - namely the UMTS system.

UMTS stands for "Universal Mobile Telecommunications System", and is a frame-switching, WCDMA based network,It runs at the following speeds, based upon coverage and density:

144 kbits/s in outdoor rural areas
384 kbits/s in outdoor urban areas
2048 kbits/s indoors and short range outdoors

It also incorporates four QoS traffic queues, and I confess, I had to look these up, as its been a long time since I've dealt with UMTS!

Conversational class (voice, video telephony, video gaming)
Streaming class (multimedia, video on demand, webcast)
Interactive class (web browsing, network gaming, database access)
Background class (email, SMS, downloading)

So broadly similar to any DSCP / soft QoS based network. It is theoretically possible to deploy QoS classes over 802.11b, too.

I've seen UMTS used as a LAN transport service before, running at something like 15Mbit/sec, but this was in a development lab up at Cisco, and it wasn't a technology they went any further with due to the ratification of 802.11a.

Think of it as GPRS on steroids...

B

cheers Benny thats as clear as mud now:p

what speed does wap and GPRS run at?

9.6kbps and 43.2kbps respectively IIRC :)

HB

Harry Bo, what settings do you use to connect to Freeserve? I've got a freeserve account, and that'd help me save a bit of money...

Elation: you'll need to set it up as an access point (Nokia only). The settings below should make sense for any phone though...

Data Bearer: GSM Data
Dialup number: +448450796699
Username: as normal, ie: harry-bo.freeserve.co.uk
Password: whatever it normally is
Prompt password: no (will supply automatically)
Authentication: Normal
Gateway: 1.1.1.1 (not used)
Homepage: none (for me anyway)
Data call type: Analogue
Maximum speed: Auto
Connection Security: Off
Session mode: Temp

You'll be limited to 9.6kbps but it suffices for the odd bit of use. I use a web browser called "Netfront" to replace the standard Nokia one (which won't work over my Bluetooth connection via my LAN) and I have an MSN (and ICQ/AIM/YIM) client called Agile Messenger. Both are only available for Symbian-OS phones AFAIK.

HTH :)

HB

GPRS does not replace WAP, they are two different things.

WAP is the protocol by which your phone requests information from a WAP server. Like HTTP.

GPRS is the transport medium over which these requests and data travel.

Normal wap phones connect by making a call, like dialup internet connections. GPRS is always on (usually) and is shared with all the other users. You just pay for the data you transfer rather than for the time you spend connected BUT its will WAP.

GPRS should be 57k but is usually 9.6k.

3G phones are a totally different kettle of fish.

Black-cat is absolutely right. WAP is a format or protocol for displaying WAP documents to your mobile. GPRS is a method of getting them there that faster than the normal dial-up but very expensive to use much.

TBH, WAP is a pretty pathetic thing more "teletext for your mobile" than a useful way of browsing a "mobile internet". I don't know anyone who actually makes use of it much. I think it's one of those things that people play with for 5 minutes when they first get it and think "cool i'll have a look at that again when i've got 5 minutes" and never bother again.....

GPRS is only really worthwhile if you want to connect your mobile to a laptop (or colour PDA) and browse the normal WWW or send an receive emails. Even then, it's a bloody expensive way of doing this!

Elation: you'll need to set it up as an access point (Nokia only). The settings below should make sense for any phone though...

Data Bearer: GSM Data
Dialup number: +448450796699
Username: as normal, ie: harry-bo.freeserve.co.uk
Password: whatever it normally is
Prompt password: no (will supply automatically)
Authentication: Normal
Gateway: 1.1.1.1 (not used)
Homepage: none (for me anyway)
Data call type: Analogue
Maximum speed: Auto
Connection Security: Off
Session mode: Temp

You'll be limited to 9.6kbps but it suffices for the odd bit of use. I use a web browser called "Netfront" to replace the standard Nokia one (which won't work over my Bluetooth connection via my LAN) and I have an MSN (and ICQ/AIM/YIM) client called Agile Messenger. Both are only available for Symbian-OS phones AFAIK.

HTH :)

HB


Any ideas what i need to set the IP to? Cheers mate.

Which IP? Your host IP?

When I used to use this kind of thing the server you were dialling in to invariably supplied one. You could try "0.0.0.0" as well - but that's a bit of a long-shot.

As above really... if it's YOUR IP then it should be supplied. If it's their gateway one, 1.1.1.1 appears to work for me :)

HB