Anyone any idea whats new from Pioneer this year?
or when we will find out? :)

Should all be out pretty soon Geoff, within about the next month or so frmo what i've heard... No P9 replacement, but I believe a slightly lower unit still with some tasty features though... The 9400 will become the 9500, with some improvements, and more than likely the PC linkage kit built into the actual unit, which is a bit funky, as with the 9400, an additional unit was required, that was hella pricey! :eek:

Pah, its all looks and no style i.m.o. :D

I wonder if there bringing an MP3 changer out? They have falled behind Alpine, Kenwood and Sony as they have had them out ages now.

Couple of the cheaper end units are in the current TCA.

Think they are all mp3 capable so there will more than likely be an MP3 changer soon.

Should find out soon enough.

ive seen a couple of there new units one to watch out for is the deh 80mp 6v pre outs multi color organic sreen 4 x 60w mp3,wma for about £350-400 also a new navi with a built in hard drive looks similar to the 6500 screen but in black not silver price about £2200

I wonder if there bringing an MP3 changer out? They have falled behind Alpine, Kenwood and Sony as they have had them out ages now.

I've heard that it's ready, just not out on the market yet... :rolleyes:

I have the new 2004 brochure ;)

Essentially 90% minor facelift changes and slight feature tweaks up to the DEHP7600R.....

Then the DEHP8600R will look like the old DEHP9400 but with full colour OEL :)

The DEHP9600R will now look like the old DEHP8400R in silver with a drop front panel (bizarre?) but again with colour OEL.

The DEHP77MP stays and is joined by the DEHP80 with OEL display.

The DEHP9 continues and we do not have an MP3 changer announced.

The big product is a AVIC-X1, essentially a AVHP6500DVD with full navigation built in as standard :)

I will post more soon...

Cheers
Mike

W00t! Expect a phone call with my credit card details as soon as they're available Mike! :D

cant wait to see the DEHP80 :)

any big mofo subs? :D

Andrew

D'oh, no MP3 changer :(

HB

Whats wrong with the slot on the DIN unit?! How many tracks to you really need access to! :D

Pioneer were not letting any secrets out at CES.. they insisted the P9 was to remain for few years yet!

I'm wonder if japan get anything high end thats new!

The DEH80 looks nice, nice unit played with it for a while.. might try one out :)

The DEHP9 continues and we do not have an MP3 changer announced.

Cheers
Mike
is that the Dex-P9r and deq-P9 or the P9 sat nav system?
Is the dex-p9R and deq-P9 listed in the 2004 brochure.

Just found THIS (http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/download.jsp?dir=%2Ffiles%2Fbrochures%2F04_CE_PRE&filename=04_CE_PRE_EN.pdf&method=inline) on the pioneer website.

Its the 04 Preview!!!! But its not got the high end units in it :cry:

Clio Paul: The P9 is the Dex-P9r and deq-P9 top end unit.

Anyone got pics and specs of the P80?

There websites only been updated on the low end models so far.

Anyone got pics and specs of the P80?

There websites only been updated on the low end models so far.

http://www.cesweb.org/shared_files/innovations/innovations_2004/2906/mainphoto2906.jpg

Lighting is actually more blue than picture shows ;)

Mike

Any pics of the other badgers Mike?

Can't see the DEHP-9600R or DEHP-8600R on the link Wadda posted, would love to see them, it'll most likely be one of the 2 i'll be picking up, any chance of a scan out of the 2004 Brochure? :D

any idea on what sony is bring out this year? with reference to tvs and stuff for cars

That P80 certainly looks diffent to normal head units.

I would expect stuff to start landing here about late March ish.

Blade: theres pics of the new 9500 in the new issue of TCA. Looks same as 8400 but the display behind the face is full colour.

Clio Paul: The P9 is the Dex-P9r and deq-P9 top end unit.
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_overview.jsp?category_id=183&taxonomy_id=25-112

There is also a pair of P9 Navigation Units.

The big product is a AVIC-X1, essentially a AVHP6500DVD with full navigation built in as standard :)

I will post more soon...

Cheers
Mike


Now that look like it will be a very big unit ! its got an excellent tech spec.

I also have the new catalog ;) boss got it at CES :)

The ANH-P9 units are just diffrent colours.

AVIC-X1 sounds like a great idea, I said to my dealer 3 years ago why bother with CD or DVD based systems when it would be not much harder to use a Hard drive based system. That could be updated by GPRS and not needing costly CDs.

The ANH-P9 units are just diffrent colours..

There are still badged as a P9 unit. Guru said "DEHP9" but this model name designation does not exist at the present time. I was asking Guru to clarify what unit's exactly are available.

Theres quite a few models that are badged P9 if you go and take a look.

Yep I know, but on here everyone refers to the P9 as being Pioneers flagship unit not the nav one.

Just because everyone on here refers to the DEX-P9R/DEQ-P9 as the P9 system, that does not make it the "DEHP9" that Guru mensioned now does it.

I'm not sure on what the similarities will be, but here's a couple of pics of new Pioneer Jap-Spec units...

Jap Model of the 9600

http://www.pioneer.co.jp/carrozzeria/products/audio/1d_cd/deh-p099/img/pop_deh-p099.jpg

Jap Model of the 8600

http://www.pioneer.co.jp/carrozzeria/products/audio/1d_cd/deh-p088/img/pop_deh-p088.jpg

Yummy! :D :love:

Blade they are nothing like these i'm afraid.... (except the 9600 uses the 8600 chassis still)

Mike

p.s sorry if i previously mentioned DEHP9 i did mean DEXP9 :o

Ah, sorry, just my anticipation of these new units is quite high, been waiting for them to come out for quite a while! :)

I said to my dealer 3 years ago why bother with CD or DVD based systems when it would be not much harder to use a Hard drive based system. That could be updated by GPRS and not needing costly CDs.
The CDs cost a few pence to manufacture. The price they charge is a function of cost to create the software (identical whether CD or HDD), the cost of the media (a HDD costs WAY more than a CD) and the profit the manufacturer/shops wish to make. So, changing from a CD to a HDD is going to be cheaper how? The manufacturer will still charge for a subscription if they want, just as they'll charge for the ability to use a GPRS updater.

Well, I'm only hypothesising here ;)

That Japanese 9600 looks stunning :wow:

Shame they aren't letting us have it :(

HB

Some nice units coming from pioneer then
AND THE P9 LIVES!!

Anyone got any more news on this yet? :neutral:

No idea but i see new carrozeria X units from 28th March so thats going to be interesting to see.

Seen Pioneer rep today, apparantly every Pioneer European division is keeping all images and details of top end 2004 range under wraps until actual launch early next month.

Dealers like us have seen Powerpoint presentations but are not allowed to get copies of the images :(

All will be revealed in the next 2-3 weeks however try and imagine the following:

1) DEHP9600R - looks like DEHP8400R but with 64 colour OEL display
2) DEHP8600R - Looks like DEHP9400R but with 64 colour OEL display

Yes you did read that correctly the chassis designs have in effect reversed across the two models this year!

also.. have a look at this...

http://www.avic-n1.com/

http://www.avic-n1.com/img/img_main.jpg

mike can I get a trade in?

Amit

Going to be called an AVIC-X1 here....
http://www.pioneer-eur.com/eur/company_news_pressrelease.jsp?category=AVICX1

Going to be called an AVIC-X1 here....
http://www.pioneer-eur.com/eur/company_news_pressrelease.jsp?category=AVICX1

How much! I want one!

I take it mike like the other in dash satnavs that you can only use either sat nav, or cd/dvd unless used with external changer.

Amit

Amit,

To my knowledge this has a memory feature that plans the route then holds it in memory so you can remove the disc and play a DVD movie. You will only need to insert the disc again if the route is very long or you stray wildly off course. If the disc needs reinserting the unit prompts you with an on screen graphic and even remembers where you left the film so you can resume once you have loaded up the next portion of the route!

Europe's first DVD navigation and audiovisual entertainment system featuring Memory Navigation, a unique new feature with which drivers can now simultaneously map their route using the latest in-car navigation technology, whilst enjoying their in-car entertainment systems. Eliminating the need for two separate systems, Pioneer's unique Memory Navigation function enables drivers to remove the map disc from the navigation unit once the route has been uploaded, and replace it with a DVD

Is Pioneers' top of the range unit still going to be the DEX-P9R?

I'm looking into one for the summer, I love them :)

Amit,

To my knowledge this has a memory feature that plans the route then holds it in memory so you can remove the disc and play a DVD movie. You will only need to insert the disc again if the route is very long or you stray wildly off course. If the disc needs reinserting the unit prompts you with an on screen graphic and even remembers where you left the film so you can resume once you have loaded up the next portion of the route!

OMG I so want one!!

the sat nav drive takes up valuable space.. and this new unit looks so sexy!

Amit

Wouldn't that lose you DVD-A and 5.1 Amit? :)

Looks good though....

EDIT: OK, I've just seen the vehicle dynamics monitor bit :D Wow....

HB

Mike have u git that CD presintation ? thats birds not bad is she ;)

Amit, if you decide to swap for 7500 for the better model, give me a shout, i'd be interested in it :)

Just found these tiny pictures, but its the best i have seen in the public domain ;)

DEHP8600MP

http://www.autoradiomp3.net/news/2004-01-21/deh-p8600mp.jpg

DEHP9600MP

http://www.autoradiomp3.net/news/2004-01-21/deh-p9600mp.jpg

Cheers
Mike

the 8600 looks like a mixture of these two - :D

http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/images/products/mex5di.jpg

http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/images/products/mexhd1.jpg

So is the new 9600 now going to be the superior unit? A reverse on last years gear, where the non-slidy-facia unit was the better unit... :question:

That's right Rich.

I prefer the looks of the 8600 personally, shame they didn't use that style on the "top" unit again.

HB

I was going to get a 77mp but lloking at the new 80 I want one of those instead does anyone have an eta on when they will be available also will they be silmilar priced to the current 77mp and so lower the 77 mp or will the price be higher?

I prefer the looks of the 8600 personally, shame they didn't use that style on the "top" unit again.

Thats what I was thinking :(

Found these pics...

DEH-P9600MP

http://www.pioneer.co.uk/images/products/caraudio/pioneer/1077705802715dehp9600mp_detailpage.jpg


DEH-P8600MP

http://www.pioneer.co.uk/images/products/caraudio/pioneer/1077618294007dehp8600mp_detailpage.jpg


Give me the price and I'll you my card details... :beam:

Looks like Pioneer decided to take the wraps off for March then :)

Should have online and priced in next 7-14 days :)

Mike

Looks like Pioneer decided to take the wraps off for March then :)

Should have online and priced in next 7-14 days :)

Mike

Excellent, I'm positively wet with excitement!

Excellent, I'm positively wet with excitement!
A picture I'm sure Pioneer are now considering delaying their launch for... ;)

http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_overview.jsp?category_id=61&__QSUB=5&taxonomy_id=25-121

new pioneer stuff is up on there site. I cant see the 80 though is it coming out is it only for other countries?

Are the only real differences between the 9400 and the 9600 the fact its got Burr Brown DAC and a colour OEL ?

If this is the case, i may as well keep the 9400 :err:

Yeah I didn't see the 80 either...

Any idea on costs Mike?

If you can't reveal the prices yet then will the 80 be nearly the same price as the 8600? Ithink I prefer the look of the 8600 but if the 80 is a lot cheaper then...

It's entirely possible we won't see the 80, the only picture shows a US model (the Premier brand) and I'd expect it to be on the Pioneer UK site if we were getting it...

HB

I prefer the looks of the 8600 personally, shame they didn't use that style on the "top" unit again.

HB

Just to come back to this... It seems that as far as the 9600, and the 8600 units go, there isn't really a top/bottom one... The 9600 does have the slidey facia, but from what I can see the specs are exactly the same for both of em...

http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_overview.jsp?category_id=61&__QSUB=5&taxonomy_id=25-121

Both have Network Mode, WMA / MP3 / WAV / CD, 24bit Burr-Brown DACs etc... :)

Blade,

I don't think 9400 has 24bit Burr Browns ??? Is this a big difference anybody ?

Apologies chap... My mistake, I mean to compare the 9600 unit, with the 8600 unit... not the 9600 to the 9400... duh, sorry chap... Previous post edited...

Nah thats cool Blade
:D

Well then I need to know the cost of the 8600...

Same here chap... :)

how much longer is it gonna be im picking my car up this weekend ahhhhh. Either that or I could go for the new clarion on cad
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=3057

OK, just had Pioneer visit today, here are some more snippets:

DEHP9600 - Released in 2 Weeks - Approx £420 online
DEHP8600 - Released in 2 Weeks - Approx £400 online
DEHP80 - Released May - Approx £300 online

p.s the 8600 & 9600 are indeed identical with just different cosmetics....

Cheers
Mike

whoot the 80 is coming out

Thanx very much for that Mike :)

8600 for you then Rich?

Good news that there's no lack of features too :)

HB

What's the P80?, given the budget for either of the three which would be the best one to go for, how are the Pioneer HU for SQ (in this range I mean not the likes of the P9)

Looking at the specs the 9600 and 8600 do everything that I want (even active XO straight out of the box)

Could one of these be the unit to go for?

8600 for you then Rich?


If I can afford it... Money situation sucks right now :(

Only 20 pounds difference between the two? (8600-9600) That's odd... Are they exactly the same spec-wise? Apart from the different facia, I mean...

p.s the 8600 & 9600 are indeed identical with just different cosmetics....
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Hmmm... there must be some differences hidden somewhere, as I don't think that 20 pounds is enough for Pioneer to cover for the 2 screens and different angle mechanism cost.

On their site (Blade posted the address earlier) they say for instance that the 8600 has a S/N ratio of 100dB, whilst the 9600's is 99 dB. Now it may be my mistake, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a hint that components of lesser quality were used in the 9600?


But if that's the case, then I think I'm right in saying that once again the dual screen,silver model (9600) is the looks and the simpler-looking one (8600) is the brains. Or am I? :)


EDIT: Mark, thanks for pointing that out, I had missed that... Still... :confused:

I'd rather have the 8600, the screens on the 9600 perhaps having something to do with the other specs being lower.

Remember the prices guru gave are an estimate of the cost they will sell at online, the rrp will probably be a fair bit higher.

I hope someone can enlighten us on this as I'm in the market for a new head unit and these seem to fit the bill, one thing I've just thought of is that I think its safe to assume that when the facia is up on the 9600 the intenal display will be off, therefore there is less 'electronics' to affect the SQ?

If you go to the Pioneer site below, you can compare both units...

http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_overview.jsp?category_id=61&__QSUB=5&taxonomy_id=25-121

There really is no difference between them, other than the cosmetics...

I hope someone can enlighten us on this as I'm in the market for a new head unit and these seem to fit the bill, one thing I've just thought of is that I think its safe to assume that when the facia is up on the 9600 the intenal display will be off, therefore there is less 'electronics' to affect the SQ?

One must be able to "black-out" the screen on the 8600 anyway, I'd think...

Anyone more technically-minded care to explain the 1dB difference in S/N if these units are identical then? (still the measurement is only in 1KHz, I'd rather see what it does to a 20Hz-20KHz spectrum...)

Nick, where abouts are the S/N specs you mention?

They're far down at the page of every single model. On the link you posted, click on the model number to get to that page, and then scroll to the bottom.

Another interesting matter (although it might not mean anything) is that on the "compare page", you can only compare equipment specs, not performance specs (not that they give any real clue about those though).

1dB is insignificant IMO. Possibly the modified internal structure of the unit induces a tiny bit more noise into the overall package, it might have been 99.4 vs 99.6 etc :)

It's not really important though ;)

HB

Ok, ok, point taken, they're identical, I'll stop now... :)

i know the DACs have been mentioned on the previous page but can someone confirm that the DACs used are Burr-Brown 1-bits??

Indeed, 1-bit Burr Brown DACs, with 24-bit res. :)

Nick, where abouts are the S/N specs you mention?

If you are feeling *really* excited, you can go to the pioneer website, follow the link for support, then manuals and download the manuals for both and have a look at ALL the features ;-)

I know they are there, becuase I just went looking for the DEH-80MP manual which isn't :-(

Indeed, I have one myself, which came with a manual... Useful eh ;)

Manual wasn't up on the Pioneer site, when I asked the question though, twas about 6 weeks ago :)

Rich, you got the 80MP then? How does it feel?

No matey, I went for the 8600... It's Yummy! :love:

It looks damn nice in Rich's car.. I'll give it that :)

Yeah, it's *nearly* P9-nice.

Well, not really but I'm just trying to make Rich feel better. A bit. I'd try harder if I got my bloody CD back though :p :D

HB

8600! I need pics! I was looking at that myself (well, if I had any money left I'd probably go for it... :( )

the new p80 has now been released find it here
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_detail.jsp?product_id=7989&taxonomy_id=25-121

I'll try and get some photos up of the 8600... Tis very nice... The highlight being that the remote has a big fat "BURP" button :D

I am also very interessted in the 80MP :D actually I use the 8400MP and I'm quite happy with it.
Now it is one year old and I think its time for a new HU ;)

Choice is

Becker Monza 7889 (http://www.becker.de/beckerCC21/www_root/ar03/child/xxxxxAr03ChStandardFs.jsp?conAddSeq=990&language=De&oranisation=001&childId=1&doFlash=yes)
Pioneer DEH-80MP (http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_detail.jsp?product_id=7989&taxonomy_id=25-121)
Alpine 98(33/ (http://www.alpine.de/alpine/cms/details.php?p=276&details)35) (http://www.alpine.de/alpine/cms/details.php?p=275&details)
or
Nakamichi CD400 (http://www.nakamichi.com/auto/CD400/spec.html)

Would like to hear some reviews. Has someone this HU ? If so please wirte some words for me ;)


PS: Price of the HU above is nearly the same ... hmm nearly *g 400$ - 700$ (online 300$ - 500$)

Which reminds me... BLADE! Where are those photos???

il do a couple of my 8600 if you want quality wont be brill though as the only digi cam iv got is on my samsung v200

Just had news that the DEHP80 will be shipping to us in the next few days and therefore available for us to ship within 7-10 days :D

We will be publishing online to order over the next 24 hours. Keep an eye on the shop for price.

Mike

Pioneer were not letting any secrets out at CES.. they insisted the P9 was to remain for few years yet!


Anyone have any idea where the RS-D7R (http://www.pioneer-eur.com/eur/company_news_pressrelease.jsp?category=car_referen ce) fits in if the P9 (DEX-P9R for those grammer freaks) stays? :confused:

Looks like its complete new entry.. Interesting.. But by the looks of Pioneer in the US, there weren't going to give anything away to me!

see the thread in SQ tecnical is above the P9 alpine F#1 levels.

Mike,
can you let me know ASAP when either or both the
Pioneer ODR RS-D7R
Pioneer ODR RS-P70xII
become availale and what deal can be done on them.

Thanks
Geoff.

and what deal can be done on them.


A kidney or two?