which sub can take the most power? i was thinking of the orion h2 as its rated at 2000wrms.
im going for a single 15" sub setup and i want to be able to pump some serious power into whichever sub / amp combo i choose. i also want it to drop like a stone so will be in a ported box

H2, XXX, Kicker Solo X, DD9900 or 9500 series will all take a lot of power.

Bear in mind the H2 can't be re-coned in the UK IIRC so if you destroy the coil it's very expensive to get it redone.

Zimsoundz DD was getting nearly 10,000w RMS....

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Its for sale too, if you want to get it reconed ;)

M:B

wow thats a huge ammount of power! i dont intend on putting that much up a subs ar$e! i cant really decide between the xxx and h2

H2 will take more power than a XXX I'm sure.

I don't want to get into any arguements here but from what I'm told the XXX has the edge on SQ and the H2 may go a tiny bit louder but will cost you far more to recone which is an important consideration whan you're putting huge power through it.

Wellas far as thermal capacity goes, I have been seriously impressed by the H2, you have to give it a really hard workout, with a whole lotta power, to even get the motor warm... After a while using it, the metal chassis heats up, and the spokes draw the heat away from the motor, and disipates it... Gordon ran a pair for a short while, when he had em off Ken York, and said he could give em a real good burping, without em getting very warm at all

The xxx is also good for bursts of power, loudboy gave his a hell of a lot, but i'm unsure of the limits for music, how well they'd take a lot of power, for a long time, streetbass style

I dont think anyones ever been brave enough to test out a wide range of "supersubs" and get real-world performance under large amounts of power

It sure would be fun to slam a H2, 9915, 9515, IDMAX, xxx etc. into the same enclosure, off the same amps, and see which lasts the longest

EDIT: As far as volume goes, VD had a play at modelling the H2 and the xxx, and found the H2 to go louder, for the same power, but as J says, the xxx can just be sent back to am, whereas the cost of a H2 recone aint far off the cost of a new sub!

I'd like to see that too, short burps are one thing because your not actually feeding that much energy into the voicecoil for it to dissipate (look at the Re MT) but the H2 has some serious motor cooling The elemental Designs 15A has a good sized Voicecoil so should take quite a bit of power but hs nothing like the cooling of the H2 to get rid of the heat over long periods of abuse.

If anybody does want a demo of the H2s cooling abilities, i'd be happy to give it a full on workout at one of the meets, then feel how much heat has stayed resident in the motor, and how much has been dissipated into the air... I'm pretty sure you'll be impressed!

Harry, Woosey, and myself have given the H2 a fair few long workouts, and should be able to comment

Just remember not to cook your alternator again Rich!

Just remember not to cook your alternator again Rich!

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Oh, might be worth mentioning also, that i've heard testing stories, of the IDMAX taking 1000wrms FREE-AIR for several hours before failure... some serious physical strain i'd imagine, would expect it to have some crazy physical limits based on that

looks like ill be getting the h2 over the xxx then, i prefer the design on the h2 as well. blade whats your best db score off your h2 as im getting the 15" version too and porting it and hopefull be able to give it 3krms to munch on.
and any opinions on what battery i should go for. space is the main issue here as blade knows the saxo has a rather small boot to say the least!

Blade hit 148.x with his running sealed with somewhere in the region of 3kw forcibly inserted up its voicecoils!

wow so what do you think is possible if its ported to say 28hz in a 3ft2 ish enclosure?

I'd just like to mention that with Blade... he really does push his sub as a matter of course :)

I'm sure he'd agreed that it's fairly normal for him to go around listening to music at full power, which is not far off 3kW or 150dB. It's LOUD. When we went on our Docklands Tour, the sub took a pounding basically constantly for 2-3 hours. Bear in mind Rich topped 147 with MUSIC at his second go on the mics... the stuff he listens to (D&B) really does have proper basslines ;)

I'm amazed the thing doesn't melt to be frank, lol :D

HB

When we went on our Docklands Tour, the sub took a pounding basically constantly for 2-3 hours.
HB

Blade and Harry Bo, kroozin wit da gangsta homiez in a pale green Saxo :lol: :D

Too right Jamie: it's a Saxo Adventure :D

HB

Blade hit 148.x with his running sealed with somewhere in the region of 3kw forcibly inserted up its voicecoils!

Thats right chap, she did a 148.7 @ Trax, in the weeny sealed box

She did 147.8dB with music, again, in 1.2cu,ft Sealed

BassA... Bear in mind, that the RMS values are accurate for the sub, in that I think 3Kw continuously, would really be pushing it close to it's limits, so watch yourself! The sub is actually rated at 2500WRMS, if you stick it in the right enclosure, the rating of which does drop dependant on box size, but between 2.5Kw and 3Kw is where you start hitting the subs physical limits, and to a lesser extent, it's thermal limits, if you spank it solid for a long time

RE MT ;)

Will take almost anything you could throw at it.

8-10k easily.

Ben

RE MT ;)

Will take almost anything you could throw at it.

8-10k easily.

Ben

But does it have enough cooling to take 8-10K sustained for long periods???

Not really, it's designed as a one note wonder SPL sub, it won't play music at all according to Am.

It won't take power for long periods at all, after about 10 or 15 seconds worth of burps, the motors are seriously hot... They have no pole vent cooling

no warranty either

its a shame I won't have my new amp for Sunday I would have like to have seen what the XXX would have hit with 2k maybe a bit more going to it

You want something like this for power handling :) , prototype only though :(

looks indestructible

:D nothings indestructable, its pretty chunky though and designed to have some pretty good VC cooling.

Omfg!!!!!!!!

I'm not so sure it's the best, but i'd just like to add (Gary posting reminded me) about the heavyweight Morel sub, which I believe is the same design as the DLS-X12 (?)... both of these are serious heavyweights... unheard by most with em being pretty rare, but the morel, and one assumes the DLS, are seriously awesome bits of kit, not heard one ported, but some serious output capability sealed

Yup, the Morel SWR-12 and DLS X-12 are the same sub. 1kW continuous is nothing to them ;)

I doubt they're up there with the H2 and the MT but they can't be far off XXX territory.

HB

Chris, they're not the same, very very similar though :)

You want something like this for power handling :) , prototype only though :(
That is amazing! :eek: How flipping big do they want to make that magnet....!!!

Will it be released as some point do you know Puggie?

M:B

12" sub 11.25" magnet.

probably release it in the future but it will cost lots!!!!

Chris, they're not the same, very very similar though :)
D4 vs D3 isn't it?

Drop me a PM if there's more to it please Dave ;)

Cheers,

HB

TREO SSX 2400RMS hhmmm nice! :D

Andrew

I'd just like to mention that with Blade... he really does push his sub as a matter of course :)

I'm sure he'd agreed that it's fairly normal for him to go around listening to music at full power, which is not far off 3kW or 150dB. It's LOUD. When we went on our Docklands Tour, the sub took a pounding basically constantly for 2-3 hours. Bear in mind Rich topped 147 with MUSIC at his second go on the mics... the stuff he listens to (D&B) really does have proper basslines ;)

I'm amazed the thing doesn't melt to be frank, lol :D

HB

Ah, I love you too harry :love: :D :D :beam:

i heard a XXX properly for the first time yday, only had 1.2kwrms up it, i think the offical power handling is 1.6kwrms afterwhich gurantee is null & void and the H2 is 2kwrms rms, blade definately spanks his hard, very very nice sub..
however something about the xxx i cant explain but i really liked the way it sounded, all the notes were crystal clear, tight, punchy, deep and that was in a ported box. i like it alot! :)

well i think my SE is the best powerhandling sub! although the multimeter i used was a cr4ppy £5 maplins one, i managed to measure around 50V on music going to the SE, and it was JUST on the verge of bottoming out

H2 will take more power than a XXX I'm sure.

Really? I'm sure a XXX will take just as much as a H2 if it's in a tiny sealed box.

Watch the power chart on the H2 in ported.. not great.

however something about the xxx i cant explain but i really liked the way it sounded, all the notes were crystal clear, tight, punchy, deep and that was in a ported box. i like it alot! :)


I can explain that. It has major fact to do with low distortion normally emitted in Parabolic curved loudspeakers, far far greater realism on full range.

I can explain that. It has major fact to do with low distortion normally emitted in Parabolic curved loudspeakers, far far greater realism on full range.

That menna be explaining it? Thats confusing us (well, me) with long words d@mmit!! :red:

What does that actually mean dude, or why does it happen?

But does it have enough cooling to take 8-10K sustained for long periods???

I heard a pair of MTs in a daily driver setup with pair of 35.1ds per sub. Tuned to mid 30s it wasn't great but it was loud without a doubt. I'd say they could take 3kw for daily driving if you wanted little output below 40hz.

odG@']That menna be explaining it? Thats confusing us (well, me) with long words d@mmit!! :red:

What does that actually mean dude, or why does it happen?

Try this link. Will explain XBL^2 for you http://www.adireaudio.com/tech_papers/xbl2_motors.htm

Onnies ears obviously picked out the benefits.

You want something like this for power handling :) , prototype only though :(

I wonder what cone they will use...

I think its hard to compare the H2 and xxx without doing it side-by-side in the same setup, with the same power... The xxx has flat wound coils, the H2 has more put into the heat dissipating design... Tis' difficult to say without like-for-like testing, but my experience of the H2, and when demoing it to a variety of people has cetainly shown the power handling...

I heard a pair of MTs in a daily driver setup with pair of 35.1ds per sub. Tuned to mid 30s it wasn't great but it was loud without a doubt. I'd say they could take 3kw for daily driving if you wanted little output below 40hz.

Fair enough, I was lead to believe it had very little voice coil cooling which would limit the power it could take for sustained periods, I stand corrected.

See anything nice and new at CES? I hear there was some good stuff on show.

I can explain that. It has major fact to do with low distortion normally emitted in Parabolic curved loudspeakers, far far greater realism on full range.

As you say all the time Am.. XBL^2 RULES! :shiny:

As you say all the time Am.. XBL^2 RULES! :shiny:


I does indeed

XXX plays bass not distortion, So far its the only sub I've had in my van that doesn't suffer from masses of overhang, Clean as a whistle.

Power handling, took 4 Miniblocks no problem for three weeks ( 2.4kw plus)

XXX plays bass not distortion, So far its the only sub I've had in my van that doesn't suffer from masses of overhang, Clean as a whistle.

Power handling, took 4 Miniblocks no problem for three weeks ( 2.4kw plus)



thats impressive I'm aiming to give mine similar, was that ported or sealed?

Sealed, about a cube

What can am xxx take ported? Mr singh, so if i want ported the xxx is better than the h2?

Listen to both, then make your mind up, as I've been telling you on MSN :rolleyes:

No-ones going to share the same opinion, most are bias, including myself (occasionally to the extreme) so you'll never get a conclusive answer

as Rich has already said go out and listen for yourself

What can am xxx take ported? Mr singh, so if i want ported the xxx is better than the h2?

To begin with, is this a battle of which sub has the most endurance of extreme power or which is the best sounding while being thrashed with extreme power?

Not heard single setup H2s, only multiple installed setups so i can't comment on that.

Try to listen to both and see what you think..