whats the most you've ever hit?

i hit 130db(pretty cr4p) at T8 with two Vibe VP2s(rated 300wrms EACH) on my SE on the old audiocontrol mics which was supposedly 5db down

and 134.2db on the new term lab mic with the RF 500bd(740w rms on birthsheet) on the SE which equates to over 140db on the old mic

hoping for 136 at least with the Fusion(rated at 1250wrms, probably not gonna use any more than 1kw though) on new mics :)

Nice results there Tej! :)

My highest has been 148.7dB in the current sealed setup on the Term-Lab mics, but with scoping the amp, phase correction, expanding foaming and deadening, it seems a good deal louder than back when the metering was done, and I'd be confident of doing a little over 150dB with things as they are

1.5kw low tuned box, I really have no idea mate :)

144.7 with a RE XXX15 in a pretty cack 4.5 cuft box tuned to 32(ish) hz with 1 Directed 1100d on it. That was on the old mics.

Glenn

in theory or in practice?

in practice an easy 150+ with my thecert weapon of choithe and 2.5k ;)

in practice? 0db :rolleyes: (bit like tej......135db? i can fart louder than that :D)

137.2 on new mics, at same time it was showing as 147 on my epic 150

got a funny feeling that may increase when next tested :D

bit like tej......135db? i can fart louder than that :D

notice how i hit a lot louder when i WASNT using your cd :p

how do you decied what frequency to use?

148.3dB with 2 sealed *splx square 12's* and a vp4! that was a 1 of on a testing day reguarly over 146dB though in competition.

with my current VP4 and HC 12 ported at 53hz i hit a 147.4dB in an iasca competition

all on old mics.

dunno what ill be aiming at next 2 hc 12's and 2 nemessis amps want at least 150dB (old mic reading) or even new mics would be nice lol

how do you decied what frequency to use?

i played music in the first spl run i did, and the song had a frequency that was too low to get a good score on :(

the second time round i played a sweep from 30-80hz, and found out my system peaks at 42hz :) so il probably burp it at that frequency next time round ;)

I really wouldn't mind having a go at this as I'm curious

148db in comp
151db in testing on my epic

both at 45hz nice and street bass for your arze

Thats with two 15's and a singel 1000 watts amp.. (see sig)

how do you decied what frequency to use?
In an ideal world you need to map the transfer function of the car (if its not in the FAQ, I might be tempted to do one :D Despite not having done the test myself...hmm)

Anyway, it involves finding where the SPL reading peaks by taking measurements from inside and outside the car over a range of frequencies. The biggest difference is the one to burp at

Apparently most small hatchbacks resonant frequency is somewhere in the high 50Hz's (walled cars it is higher due to the smaller airspace, so I have been told), hence why the hardcore SPL lot like Team DumZim burp at 70Hz or so :)

HTH somewhat

M:B

resonant frequency of the car then

8" Secret sub with 1000wrms: 154.4db
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....on mics designed by me... :p

137.6db on tempro at mk1

lower at ml1 due to voltage and earthing issues.

all with a dls ca10 mono and re se 12 in 2.5cuft slotported box tuned to 34hz

Apparently most small hatchbacks resonant frequency is somewhere in the high 50Hz's (walled cars it is higher due to the smaller airspace, so I have been told), hence why the hardcore SPL lot like Team DumZim burp at 70Hz or so :)


Resonant frequency isnt always best for SPL ;)

Do you really think the Mini in a No Wall set up really has an RF of 70+hz

RF does mean you get the maximum cabin gain but unfortunately you also get maximum vibration/panel movement which saps SPL :clown:

Ben

lol @ ur comment M:B :)

as mr ben said, times are changing and spl cars are being made to burp at higher freq's than before !

but in general, if you asked how to find where you're loudest, we'd say start in the mid 50's and try up and down in 1Hz intervals to see what's loudest.

Buff - look forward to seeing / hearing your car again when we come over next :raz:

G

cheers Zim.

so do i!!!!

a few of us maybe venturing across the water to the like of donny perhaps as well.

8" Secret sub with 1000wrms: 154.4db
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....on mics designed by me... :p

wouldnt mind having a go on those mics :twisted:

My all time Loudest score is 164.5 dB in the Volvo. That was when we was over in Belfast.

The loudest we have had out of the Mini to date is 151.3 dB on the new mic's in the euro finals. But the setup that we had then is no more. :cry:

But it will be back soon. :raz: Bigger and better and hopefully hell of a lot LOUDER. :beam:

Would like to see the mini hit mid 150's on new mic's. Never know might even be more. ;)

I look forward to the season ahead and I'm sure we will see some big numbers. There should be a lot of new installs about as well.

Loudboy.

Resonant frequency isnt always best for SPL ;)

Do you really think the Mini in a No Wall set up really has an RF of 70+hz

RF does mean you get the maximum cabin gain but unfortunately you also get maximum vibration/panel movement which saps SPL :clown:

Ben
Yeh I kind of realised that after Id posted it: remember you saying before you you are normally burp a bit above RF

Apologies

M:B

I have got 141.6 (termlab) and 147.8 (audiocontrol) with 2 off Pioneer TS-W121SPL and 1100watts @ 37Hz.
Also, I have got 141.6 (termlab) and 147.8 (audiocontrol) with 1 off Pioneer TS-W121SPL and 1200watts @ 52Hz.

Strange, but true! :)

Steve

Yeh I kind of realised that after Id posted it: remember you saying before you you are normally burp a bit above RF

Apologies

M:B

Youre almost there MB, when using the cabin rise and tuning to around the cars RF you normally burp a few hz higher than you tune to.

Im on about tuning 20 or more hz higher.

Forget about burping outside the car, we dont need to know about the gain between the 2 environments. What we need to know is just how high we have to tune with our box/port design until we stop gaining dB. Then you have to change box/port and test again. Then compare all the results, see which box/port combo is loudest under the 80 hz limit.

We gained 6 dB+ with out first box design in the mini and im sure we can gain even more just by doing small changes to the box/port.

Ben

I have got 141.6 (termlab) and 147.8 (audiocontrol) with 2 off Pioneer TS-W121SPL and 1100watts @ 37Hz.
Also, I have got 141.6 (termlab) and 147.8 (audiocontrol) with 1 off Pioneer TS-W121SPL and 1200watts @ 52Hz.

Steve

that IS odd :confused:

Thank for you for that Mr Bump :D Again, I think Im running before I can walk...:err:

Im certain I have been advised on reading outside the car, though now I think about it may have been a dubious non-TA source ;)

M:B

135db @ 37Hz, Mk1 on Termpro mic.

Single RFD2210 10" sub in my own vented enclosure, in a saloon.

Don't have the sub anymore, I've replaced it with an idmax v3d4.....which will be installed when I get my car fixed next week.

Thank for you for that Mr Bump :D Again, I think Im running before I can walk...:err:

Im certain I have been advised on reading outside the car, though now I think about it may have been a dubious non-TA source ;)

M:B

The reading inside the car and outside the car is a very valuable tool for finding the point of maximum cabin gain.

Unfortunately it isnt always the loudest frequency for the car.

With lower amounts of power this maybe the most effective frequency but when we are talking about a few thousand watts up each sub you can normally push the subs past the usefullness of the cabin gain and burp at a much more higher and thus more productive frequency.

The higher the frequency the better, the higher the RF of the car the better aswell. Unfortunately theres not many cars that have an RF of 65+ and i only know of one in the 70s.

Ben

ive hit 155dB and 147dB at the same time! :D and at 47Hz

thats the loudest i have managed with this set-up, i think 1dB-ish could be gained with a few tweeks...

but a few tweeks arn't gonna happen, its all change soon i think! ;)

Andrew.

that IS odd :confused:

Why is that odd Andrew?

Seems pretty straightforward...

First result was much lower as far as frequency was concerned, and it took 2 subs to do do that reading... It took higher tuning, and a higher peak (oh, and slightly more power) to do the same result with a single sub... seems to make sence

137db with a selead w3 with 400rms (or less;) ) on old mic of course

I hit 139.9 dB at T7 with two six-year-old 12" subs and 700W RMS :) (sealed)

137.somthink

ive got an epic 160 coming maybe some better comps ill be upgrading all cables pretty soon so maybe 145+ next time i get metered with a bit of luck

Will find out when i pick my TermLab up on Monday :D

But i got 112.6dB and 146.9dB. Both are first boxes and i am sure could get more with a few tweeks, which is what i plan, the aim is the get best i can with this gear :)

153.2dB

164.4dB from another source...

...Bet that`s got you all thinking ;)

with my old setup in peugeot 306 i did 147dB on old meters with a single 12" dls X12 and a rf punch 500.2

today in my coupé 406 trunkcar i hit 141.4 dB in a sq box with single XXX15 and 1600rms on new termlab meter
but thats just the beginning....... :eek:

grtz iceke

141 on TP in a 406 coupe is very impressive in my eyes.

Especially an SQ box.

Ben

how much is a termlab mic and associated things you need for SPL readings

The cheaper TP set-up is currently $599 USD.

$599 + P&P = $650 or £353

£353 + VAT + Import = roughly £456

This is one mic and reads 180dB, which works on a PC via a USB port.

More info is here http://www.termpro.com/storefront/page600.asp

Ben

thats the one that we (Dumzim) have :) .... it's a lot of money for something that just records bass - no eq on this model :( .... but we're sick of biulding a car(s) and going in blind !

Don't forget, you'll also need a laptop to go with it.

Btw scores so far : 154.9 - single stroker 18
155.5 - single DD, but box was completely wrong !
157.1 - 2 x Orion H2's.

G

got the laptop already, its a fair bit of cash for something that just reads db as you said but it would be good to have as any changes I made I could tell straight away if there was any improvement

but it would be good to have as any changes I made I could tell straight away if there was any improvement
which is why we bought one.

wish u could have got my system metered, not gonna get the chance now - it starts leaving me piece-by-piece tomorrow :cry:

it would be more use to you than me mate but I like messing

your not selling you epic are you?

your not selling you epic are you?

no chance :p

just the subs and the sub amps, will be a shame to see them go... :(

are the amps sold?

are the amps sold?

yup i had offers for the two amps within minutes of the post in classifieds :)

subs i believe are also gone too

just thought I would check as you never know what your missing :)

no problem bud :)

your system all fitted and raring to go for L5 then?

wouldnt mind a listen of the XXX12 if ya dont mind ;)

your welcome to a listen mate, just need to sort a little voltage problem out but otherwise ready to go

Loudest i hit on the IdBl mics was 151.3dB.

Major changes taking placing.

Hoping to hit a similar score, but on the new Termpro mic.

have not had mine testes but would hope it would be over 140db with 1.2k going into the sub and about 300rms going into the fronts.

138 on old mic with a sealed 10W3 @1200wrms
134 on the new mic with a sealed 10W7 @500wrms.


We need to collate a table of all of us based on sub size and multiples.That would be interesting.

Hey Tim, you sorted your box out yet m8?

something like -

Name | sub model | sub size | power to sub | spl score | AC mic or TL mic | Car
....Tej.....RE SE12.....1x 12".......600wrms........130db.........AudioControl.. ..Mitsi Shogun
....Tej.....RE SE12.....1x 12".......740wrms........134.2db.......TermLab....... ..Mitsi Shogun


:)

something like -

sub model | sub size | power to sub | spl score | AC mic or TL mic
....RE SE12.......12"...........600wrms...........130db............Audi oControl
....RE SE12.......12"...........740wrms...........134.2db..........Term Lab

:)

i think car should be included too, otherwise an excellent idea :)

B.No mate.No timbermerchant near me will do it.B&Q say it's too many cuts.I'm going to gave to buy a jigsaw and workmate and do it in my tiny garden!
By the way....I had a wicked separated at birth thought about you and someone else the other day...I'll have a hunt for pics.....

Tej,thats spot on.....then we can have a comparison league.Something to aim for at our meets,a mini SPL league!

I still need to get the wood cut for mine! Will get it done this week.

As for the double-take....lol, sounds ominous. :D

sounds good, maybe it will make people try harder

127 with two jl 8wo (11L sealed) with 1000wrms availible.........
dont know what wattage they were getting at burp :) gain was all the way down..
pleased with 127 with the dual-8wo for me.. :) before they become my mids :D

137.5 with 15w6 sealed with 800wrms (-same amp as the 8wo,after they become my mids)

hm...but another guy with two alpine 10" ported, with 800wrms did 129 :) :whatever:

all with same mic, same hz.....

Name | sub model | sub size | power to sub | spl score | AC mic or TL mic | Car
MySnd.....JL W3.....1x 15".......1000wrms........168db.........HomeMade....N ova
MySnd.....Erm..... 2x 8".......... 2500wrms.......170.2dB.........HomeMade....Larda

:p Sorry :lol:

134.2 on a new Termlab mic at MK1. Single 10W3 in a sealed box with about 400w

140.2 on new mic now i got split charge and a steady 14.2v at idle and 13v on a burp :cheese:

see my signature

141 on TP in a 406 coupe is very impressive in my eyes.

Especially an SQ box.

Ben

box is 3.88cuft before sub and port placement tuned to 35hz

butt i want more, 2 options

- try box 7 cuft and big port with 1 XXX15 2400rms
-try box 8 cuft ported with 2x XXX15 and 4800rms

only problem is i i take option 2 that i cant make a really big port :cry:

what do you guys think? :rolleyes:

guys? :sleep: :shiny:

new personal best - 135.9db :p

new personal best - 135.9db :p
with 2 rear windows which i'm certain won't last to much longer with the way they vibrate ! :lol:

missed out and I really want to get a reading :(

with 2 rear windows which i'm certain won't last to much longer with the way they vibrate ! :lol:

lmao! its quite embaressing driving down the street with those things rattling away :red:

lol....impressive score though, keep up the work :)

new personal best - 135.9db :p

I'm going to beat you with my new sub though, roll on T9!!! ;)

i got 135.2 :)

I have a sneaking suspicion that I should beat my 135 now. :)

jamie - :p watch out for my two ported 15s in the summer :p :p

Woosey - did you burp or sweep? :)

Bibby - :wow: i seriously cannot wait to hear that! i love that sub!!

it was with the quad ;)

i did have a tones CD but i got louder with the quad?! think i was playing tones to low, i tryed 40 - 55 hz in 1 hz increments got score of 134db at 42 hz

i was at l5 yesterday and got 140.5 with 2 se 12s getting 450 watts each.first mic test for me and was well chuffed.
thanks for all your help lads.:)

paul.

i managed to get mine up another half a decibel to 140.7 happy but still want louder! damn bass bug!! bitten me good and proper :clown:

Bibby - :wow: i seriously cannot wait to hear that! i love that sub!!

http://www.acidtrax.net/junk/nubox/015.jpg

Check the baby out m8, I have no boot left. :D

Ah dude, we like that! have you decided on the trim yet? :D

So you didn't get round to covering it in fur this time!

It looks very impressive, I'll have to have a listen to an ID MAX some time soon!

Haven't decided on trim yet. To be honest, I don't relish the idea of getting it out of the boot without giving Geoff Capes a call to give me a hand. I'm liking the warning sign at the minute. Quite apt. :)

I think the warning is quite cool too :)

Looking forward to getting a listen chap

i got 143db yesterday @ l5 with 4 x se10's sealed. i am well happy :)

i got 143db yesterday @ l5 with 4 x se10's sealed. i am well happy :)

Yeah, I saw fella.....most sexeh indeed. If you're at T9, I'd like a listen to those babies. :)

Rich, I will get round to trimming at some point. I just can't be bothered at the minute. :D

145 today on the epic160. some said its 1 db down on the new mics which sounds about right because i was metered @ 137 at ml1 without the epic.

I have hit a best of 150.5 at low 40hz when i was competing a year or so ago.
This was in a cavalier using 4x dd3512b's, 8 cube box tuned to 35 hz, and 2krms.

i hit 147 on my epic with the old install, i have no doubt its gonna be well over 150 with the improvements ive made since :cool: :D

Ricky long time no hear,hope to see you around a bit more this year are you going to Ice direct? i will be there but PaulC is still working on my BoomWagon :(

Have you got a vehicle for your install yet?

Laters Kieran

153 for a about 1 or 2 seconds on the epic on friday night when i had Radio 1 on

bout 145db, with a single ported crystal CMPx2 12" and mtx 81000d, reasonable small box too

Ricky long time no hear,hope to see you around a bit more this year are you going to Ice direct? i will be there but PaulC is still working on my BoomWagon :(

Have you got a vehicle for your install yet?

Laters Kieran
kieran as far as i know, Ricky's got a nissan 200 now, with no install in....we had a long chat at a cruise not to long ago..

kieran - i got a missed call off you a couple days ago, anything important ?

G

Ricky sell that Japmobile and get a Boomobile!
You know it makes sense.

Can't remember why io called you G

hiya keiran and zim. Its true mate, i have brought a 200sx and there is no space at all for sounds. Not to mention most of my money is now being spent on making it rapid. I will still be at most sound-off's though so i will catch you around.

I proper miss having some heavy bass though, never know i might get sick of racing around and sort out a boom wagon!

i did 151.1 at new mics with
1 x DD 9915 beast
2 x 2000x usamps
in the trunk of my car in street A

Good score db_saxo.:D

Are you the same guy that posts on Termpro as db_saxo from Belgium??

Welcome to the forums :)

Ben

thats me :) :) :)

Good to see you here.

Are you going to Sinshiem?

There will be a few UK cars going over, will be good to meet some more of the european dB Draggers :D

Ben

yes i'm going to sinsheim
dont now if i compete
depends on if my new amps arrive

What amps are you getting?

US Amps again or something else? SPL Ds?

Ben

us amps DE 3000 most likly

136,3db wiht Pioneer 303 sub (160W) and one noname amp (100W) :)
With new sys 144,3db, Kicer S15L7 and JBL BP1200.1 and I'm still half way done with that sys.

2 years ago Audiocontrol mic 133db @ 45 hz Infintiy Perfect 10 in a SQ box with 280 WRMS.

No idea what on new mics my guess 126-130 ish.

It is all about finding the right frequency.

I hit 142.1 in competition when i got 3rd place in donny sound off, dunno out about mic's or out, but at my local i.c.e. shop i got 145. with 2 x 12" vega's with a directed audio 600d runnin em, have no idea how it compares or anythin...
joN

oke i gained a bitt

coming from 141.4dB with 2x DLS A6 amps

and now hit 141.5dB with a single DLS A6 amp :)

in my peugeot 406 coupé trunkcar :raz:

butt i think i'm gonna buy a bigger amp :twisted:

grtz iceke

okay new score did 151.3 on new sensor with 1 DD9915 and 1 usamp DE 3000
in my panda streetB

Good score :D

Only 2dB off the world record, im sure you can tweak a little more ;)

Ben

okay new score did 151.3 on new sensor with 1 DD9915 and 1 usamp DE 3000
in my panda streetB
Blimey, 2dB off world record?! Do you have the desire to share any pics?

M:B

and are u based in the UK ?

and are u based in the UK ?
Belgium (in a post on the last page)

M:B

Belgium (in a post on the last page)

M:B


Would reply but the who SPL secret thing want let me.

LOL thank u matey :)

only 2.6 from WR and i can put another amp in it

http://users.pandora.be/Team_DD/DD/123.bmp

I would love to know you guys "on the continent" can hit so high with single subs and single amps! Im in awe...

M:B

i'm probably hitting around 80db now :D and thats just the road noise!!! :lol:

I would love to know you guys "on the continent" can hit so high with single subs and single amps! Im in awe...

M:B

because they make SPL systems, VERY few people in the UK would make a one note wonder street system, MOST people in the UK want to listen to music on a street system :)

and they test test test, and test a bit more :D

Andrew

because they make SPL systems, VERY few people in the UK would make a one note wonder street system, MOST people in the UK want to listen to music on a street system :)

and they test test test, and test a bit more :D

Andrew
Well I want to make a European beating SPL system :p

Not gonna happen with my wage though :(

M:B

I would love to know you guys "on the continent" can hit so high with single subs and single amps! Im in awe...

M:B

http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?t=66464

:D

Well I want to make a European beating SPL system :p

Not gonna happen with my wage though :(

M:B

We want a European beating system ;)

Its not just money tho.

Choice of car and design of box is the biggest factor.

Amps and subs are not huge factors but are important. Batteries are a big thing.

The most important thing is a comparable mic and lots of testing, with of course a scope, a multimeter and a clamp meter.

Dont aim to be the best in one season, its taken us a good 3 years of serious SPL to get to the level we are at and we are still learning alot.

Ben

We want a European beating system ;)

Its not just money tho.

Choice of car and design of box is the biggest factor.

Amps and subs are not huge factors but are important. Batteries are a big thing.

The most important thing is a comparable mic and lots of testing, with of course a scope, a multimeter and a clamp meter.

Dont aim to be the best in one season, its taken us a good 3 years of serious SPL to get to the level we are at and we are still learning alot.

Ben
You say its not all money: TL mic = £400, scope = £80?, remaking boxes = shares in MDF company, oil tanker batteries = several 100 £, old Mini = not too much ;)

Thats before amps and subs! And then time...

Anyhoo, lets stop hijacking this thread :D

M:B

whoehoe did 151.7 last sunday
stil 1 amp :raz:

dB Saxo.

Is that the system you told me about?

:wow:

So that system is only .1dB from the Highest Score in Street C this year, then?

Can I be bold and ask what Car it`s in?

Begins with P has an A at the end and AND in the middle ;)

Street C scores will be 155+ within a coulple of weeks, 157+ at the end of the year.

dB Saxo is in Street B and was just of the WR, its now gone upto 153.8dB IIRC

Ben

Thanks Ben.

Those cars should be banned :p :)

Now if I could fit my Escort system in a FP...

157dB In Street C by the end of the year :wow:

If I had to do that in my car I guess I`d need about 15 to 20.000wrms:(

Its not all about power though.

Alot isnt always good.

More power means you need a bigger box, which means a bigger port, which means you have less space.

Its a vicious circle, you need to find the best solution for your car and your equipment.

Just incase anyones interested the Street A WR is 151.*, a pair of 9910s and one EXT 2000d amp. Single battery under the bonnet, all in the boot of a Panda.

Ben

because they make SPL systems, VERY few people in the UK would make a one note wonder street system, MOST people in the UK want to listen to music on a street system :)

I would like to do a full on SPL car, but just can't justify putting together a system that won't play music... :(

It can be done, our Volvo wasnt "full on" SPL but it wasnt far off.

Interchangeable ports for tuning from 34 to 60+ hz.

Had a fully active front end, EPX2 and 4 Genny amps.

Ben

But it was walled though... You try port plugging a system like that when the whole thing is in the boot... I couldn't see a way to do it for my install... The low tuned port is 3-feet long... :(

Begins with P has an A at the end and AND in the middle ;)

Street C scores will be 155+ within a coulple of weeks, 157+ at the end of the year.

dB Saxo is in Street B and was just of the WR, its now gone upto 153.8dB IIRC

Ben

Street C is already 155+ :red:

156.1 at AudioThunder in March :D

Ben

today i'm gonna test 2 amps

today i'm gonna test 2 amps

Any new scores?

We did a 158.0 in our NW car today :D

Ben

you will see it in sinsheim :D

Must be a good score then ;)

As loud as the Austrians??

Ben

Dont know yet , final test is thursday .

Hope it goes well for you :)

See you at Sinsheim :D

Ben

I hit 145.8 on the Mean Street mics the other night.

And am hitting a nice score on the termlab now :)

hi ,my name is joseph.here in malta we do spl competitions and we have a special class with one 8 inch and one amplifier do you think you can help me out?my best score is 141db with the new term mic

please contact me on email ; info@securich.com

i have 2 x 12" vegas with a directed 600d, am currently changing it for an 1100d, what sorta score can i expect, i got 145 before, 142.1 in competition at donny 2002
joN

Hit 143.7dB on new mics with a single 12" in ported box, should go up with more tunning.

Hit 143.7dB on new mics with a single 12" in ported box, should go up with more tunning.


May i ask the Specs of the system and what car it is in please ?

142.6 with a single 12" (XXX) in ported box with a screwdriver hole in the surround :red: , Rushe I will find 2db before Dublin ;)

Steve hit 143.1 on the sensors @ ICE-direct with one XXX 12 and 2400rms :) from his escort boot

street B (old street B !) rules, with just a guess at tuning for peak output...

Andy

oke i gained a bitt

coming from 141.4dB with 2x DLS A6 amps

and now hit 141.5dB with a single DLS A6 amp :)

in my peugeot 406 coupé trunkcar :raz:

butt i think i'm gonna buy a bigger amp :twisted:

grtz iceke

last score 142.8dB@40hz XXX15 en EXT 2000D
and without testing :beam:

May i ask the Specs of the system and what car it is in please ?

Pug 106, ported box, single 12" Soundstream tarantula, you might get to find out the rest later on in the year if I get the money gathered up to go to a show in England.

FAO ev206 Not going to be able to make Dublin, bloody exam on the monday :mad: , but im sure i'll give you another ass kicking soon :smoke: