http://www.termpro.com/dbdrag/rules/2008/matrix08.html

After reading some of the threads on Term-pro, i think that a lot of the extreme guys will be very upset (close to quitting).

when they say about the number of batteries. Is that powering they system or total including starter battery?

Batteries listed are total.

doh, i wont be in street A anymore then :(

In that repesct, the rules are the same as last year.

What are the big changes?

1 batt in Street B? (or did that change last year?)

No structural mods in SS NW (weren't cut throughs allowed before, a la the old ECC Mini?)

Combining of SM 1-2 and SM 3-4?

Woha, Street is quite different, only really affects DaddyO in this country however.

SM is a carve up!

Not really any change to SS or SSNW bar 2 classes being combined.

Extreme, well opinions may vary, but one of the loudest cars ever, only had 1 sub....

Two of the loudest cars ever ;)

And NW has been like that for a few years Rob, its no "external" cuts, the old ECC Mini is legal by those rules and infact ran under those rules.

The big changes are EX and class combining in Max and SS. Amp drops in Street are nice but means some competitors have twice the amps they need.

Just read a bit of TP, and the rules again, its all probably quite good for this country, especially Street :)

SM will be interesting with 2 big hitter cars potentially going against each other now :)

And a certain just sold van dosnt have to re-build now just to be competitive by needing a loading wall ;)

Ah, that's cool...I wasn't sure if that was including internal mods :)

would i be in sc with 2 bats 1 sub and 1 amp

Assuming you meet all the other criteria for that class, yes.

But for your first event, or until you win, you could compete in Freestyle, the new class, for newcomers.

would i be in sc with 2 bats 1 sub and 1 amp

thats what i will be running. Bit confusing isnt it lol

if for example myself or lewyb went into freestyle where would we go from there?

btw, im running whats in my sig + another battery if i ever get my leak sorted lol

Freestyle is a newcomer class designed to fit everyone, no matter what you have.

You can compete in this class until you win an event, then you have to move up to regular class.

The class you move to will be dictated by your equipment. Hopefully whilst youve been in Freestyle you will have learnt the basics and considered altering your install to meet the class of your choice.

spo running 1 12, 1 amp and 2 batts means i cant compete in any of the street classes, just SS 1-2NW?

Unless I missed something, two batts are allowed in Street C, so you would be in there.

Not ideal, you may want to consider bypassing the second battery for burps and dropping a class or two.

that will be VERY difficult unless you know of any 100ah batts which measure 130mm deep, 234 long and 227 high lol

i guess its either Street c or SS1-2NW for me then. I doubt the pbx3000d i have sat here will cope off my current battery

A PBX will be absolutely fine off of one decent battery.

If you dont have room, make room, it is a benefit.

If you dont have room, make room, it is a benefit.

unfortunately mate that is impossible in my car :( for batteries the engine bay is designed really badly

so that make me unlimited extreme im presuming as i have a loading wall? hmmm interesting!

so all extreme classes are now combined in terms of subs, but split depending on whether thay have a loading wall or not?


any other changes to extreme?



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just read through the gumph on termpro.... think it will be a killer tp extreme all round to be honest.... people wont fork out for 4 times the kit if they are against ex 1 cars..... within 2 years it will all be ex1 with loading wall or without loading wall...... shame

wel wud 1 normal bat run my ddz1 i was planin 2 split charge with a nsb90. Freestyle sounds like a gd idea 2 learn. Is freestyle burbs?

freestyle is anything goes by the sound of it,, everyone first time out has to compete in free style from what i gather to qualify to go into set classes..


hope ive got this right... dont get once you win an event you will be moved up though.. thats dumb as your gonna have lower class cars / budget cars up against full on extreme cars for "first time runners" that sucks

not sure what class i will be in now - will find out on Sunday, dont really care what class i end up in - dont compete just to win, compete as its a laugh

A Z1 will be fine off an NSB90, I wouldnt want to run it off much else to be hnoest.

I would take the EX classes with a pinch of salt at the moment, final never means final.

I would take the EX classes with a pinch of salt at the moment, final never means final.

i hope so,,,, no one on termpro seems keen on the idea

I like the sound of Freestyle, if it's what I think it is...

Basically anything goes, but if you win you have to enter a "propper" class. Great for newcomers to join in and get a taste for it.

Thats exactly it Chris, all the first timers or nearly new guys and/or gals together.

Unless of course they fit better in another class, Im sure Darren would put them where they have the best chances ;)

Im sure the rules will take a little bit of getting used to. This is probably the biggest shake up of the rules that I have seen, and I'm sure you will agree its a step in right direction.

For Street, 100% in the right direction, and the most competitors are in Street.

Any news on banning multi cell batteries in Street?

MC batts are legal.

More than likely banned next season.

is there a list of the dates and locations of these meets?

A full list of events will be up any day. I'm just waiting for confirmation from a couple of very big events. :D

Thanks for waiting. :D

do i need anything wen i go 2 the lanes just the car?

do i need anything wen i go 2 the lanes just the car?
just the car and a cd with the tone on but they usually have a couple of those if you dont have one

you dont even have to clean the thing if you dont want to - drive in caked in dirt :D

Clean cars are better, as we don't get filthy and transfer it from one car to another.

If you are unsure about anything whilst at the event, don't hesitate to ask one of the judges anything you are unsure of, if it's your first time, we'll normally sit in the car and run it through with you just to make sure you're happy with what you're doing.

wicked sounds good 2 me hope 2 make some of the south east meets 2 meet the boys

the db drag events are scattered around the country so you should be able to find a db drag event close-ish

Im sure the rules will take a little bit of getting used to. This is probably the biggest shake up of the rules that I have seen, and I'm sure you will agree its a step in right direction.

not sure on extreme dude, seems to have lost a few big names :(

rest looks ok even street max 1-4 :)

marbella won't be at peterborough, slight issues with a sub ;)

As is normal, the rules have been thrown up in the air and are being rethought.

Mainly bringing back the old EX and SS classes, adding a limited EX class, SM being the same as last year, a new "sponsored equipment" Street class and changes to the MC batts for Street.

Nothing is concrete til around June time :lol:

are the events won on multiple points (install, safety, spl) or just on who is the loudest.

are the events won on multiple points (install, safety, spl) or just on who is the loudest.


db Drag is just volume

there is a format called Psyclone which is points based on install as well as volume but thats not run in the uk

so me with 1x 10" and 1 amp would go in where, street A? even though its 1x 12" or 2 x 10"s?

are the events won on multiple points (install, safety, spl) or just on who is the loudest.

In Bassrace, you are classed against other people of a similar SPL output, and not by equipement, thus if your car will only streetbass around 130db, you should be in the 120-129.9db class, with everybody else of a similar SPL output. The knockout rounds then decide who is "best" not who is loudest.
Thats when the fun begins :D

so me with 1x 10" and 1 amp would go in where, street A? even though its 1x 12" or 2 x 10"s?

yup street a (after your stint in freestyle)

what if i dont want to go in freestyle?

go straight into street a lol freestyle is only there for beginners really :)

its gonna be a bit rubbish for me because after talking to rich it means that i am gonna be competing against some pure spl cars that are mega.in other words i haven't got a chance of winning anything. i know winning isn't everything but it was nice to get some trophies last year.oh well

its gonna be a bit rubbish for me because after talking to rich it means that i am gonna be competing against some pure spl cars that are mega.in other words i haven't got a chance of winning everything. i know winning isn't everything but it was nice to get some trophies last year.oh well
i know i probably wont win with the mundaeno - just aim to win in bassrace instead

it has turned a little unrealistic for the average person to be competative now which is a real shame and i thought that was the whole idea of the street classes

it has turned a little unrealistic for the average person to be competative now which is a real shame and i thought that was the whole idea of the street classes

i agree.mine is a budget install that is very effective but yet its gonna be competing against the monster spl cars.its a shame but we can't do anything about it

in my opinions; this is what i think at the moment

its stupid to think it would be easier to get a new uk record in 2 of the current extreme classes that it would to even win a show in any other classes


i dont understand why there has to be street, super street, street max when all are dominated by what are effectively non street / daily driver cars....

something needs changing with classes being combined / removed but within street, super street, street max whilst creating "daily use" classes or maximum retail cost classes,


extreme should be changed to ex1-2, ex3-4, ex5+

and then add an "anything goes class" where you can do anything you please to the car with no restiction other than it must still drive! would be like a mega monster class or something

it has turned a little unrealistic for the average person to be competative now which is a real shame and i thought that was the whole idea of the street classes

yup, looks like the 2 trophies i have (only 1 from DB drag) are the only ones i will get :(
my install with a single 12 in my boot wont even fit in the street class as i need a 2nd battery to power my pbx3000d. harsh for those of us with tiny battery trays under the bonnet :(

to be far DB drag is still a competitive sport, if you wanna be competitive you need to pick the right car/equipment ect.

bone the problem is many cant afford to buy a specific car / kit, thats what the street classes were meant to be about!

lets face it, your not going to buy a panda as a daily driver to be used once a month for db drag! especially if your just starting out! people want to be able to be competetive and have fun on a budget but it just doesnt happen!

as bone said, its a competative sport - you cannot blame people for using options available to them to be competative

I KNOW i wont be competative so i dont try, i just do it to see how loud i can get personally and because its a laugh

i understand that but some cant afford to be competetive! there should be classes to suit!

bone the problem is many cant afford to buy a specific car / kit, thats what the street classes were meant to be about!

lets face it, your not going to buy a panda as a daily driver to be used once a month for db drag! especially if your just starting out! people want to be able to be competetive and have fun on a budget but it just doesnt happen!

but thats like turning up to a marathon and expecting to win every now and again, with out bothering to train even when other people have...

i understand that but some cant afford to be competetive! there should be classes to suit!

I cant afford to be competative, I have completely run out of money so cannot afford to buy the trim panels i need or the wiring and fabrication to finish the car so i will just end up driving it round as it is until i can afford to spend a bit more

your missing the point,, anyone can train for a marathon,, the point im trying to make is some will NEVER be able to afford to be competetive in the current format of classes so they just wont bother! for members to improve, it needs to be made more appealing to the little men which means a shake up in classes with either power or price limitations

anyone can train, doesn't mean they will win......
pick a class you can be competitive in, you can't just roll up in a daily driver with the same system as joe bloggs and expect to win!
it involves time and testing, and yes ....money
there is no getting around that.....

top street cars in the uk are all sponsored to some degree so can get much more for their money than the average joe!

there is no class a newcomer could be half competetive in other than bass race

there is a way of getting round it bone,,,

make street classes what they were meant to be for,, daily drivers with daily kit that costs and average price,, not 4 figure setups that just burp! what is "street" about a burping panda?

with all due respect a 'newcomer' shouldn't be competitive...
i can't think of any sport where a newbie has a chance of winning in their first few months....
even with kit/money limits it would come down to knowledge, again a certain few people would dominate.....

there is a way of getting round it bone,,,

make street classes what they were meant to be for,, daily drivers with daily kit that costs and average price,, not 4 figure setups that just burp! what is "street" about a burping panda?


it conforms to the rules and db drag as far as i see it is about pulling every last ounce of performance possible out of the system

by saying that the street classes should only have street installs how do you clasify that, the average install is 6x9's on the shelf and a 50 quid 12in the boot - should that be the maximum kit allowed in the street classes

yes a few would dominate but atleast everyone would be able to atleast afford it!

anyway as i said, whats "street" about a burper?



sam i agree, you cant set a price limit, however a power limit is an option... that way it about the install more than the power

yes a few would dominate but atleast everyone would be able to atleast afford it!

anyway as i said, whats "street" about a burper?

i remember whens johns lucida played lovely and still beat the hell out of everyone else
that was street....

If anything, the Street classes are getting "better".

And the current draft rules are even better for your average joe, assuming they have bought the "right" kit.

sam i agree, you cant set a price limit, however a power limit is an option... that way it about the install more than the power

So where do you set the limit, I personally think 1k is a reasonable amount of power and i would be in a street class if i took my false floor out but to most people on the street 1k is a silly amount of power

i remember whens johns lucida played lovely and still beat the hell out of everyone else
that was street....

exactly, it is possible to have a car that plays and hits the numbers - its not easy and it takes a lot of work but it is possible

You will not see a power class in a proper dB Drag class, people will buy an amp that does the rated amount of power and mod it.

It is totally uncontrollable and will lead to lots of rule bending.

And if you think power comes before the install, you are majorly misguided. You can have lots of power on the wrong box and be beaten by someone with alot less power than yourself.

Cost class are not feasable either, items do not cost the same worldwide.



As for burping, all cars can do this and its the easiest and best way to get a consistant score.

No matter what the rules are, people that want to win will do whatever it takes to win, fact.

And finally, Street cars are not "street" cars.

Street is simpley the name of the lowest class, call it banana or doris if you want, no matter what the name is if the rules allow people to do something and it makes them louder than thier rival, they will do it.

i do hate people winging, the street classes ae no worse than they were before.
Not everyone who is competive in street is sponsored in anyway. 3 years ago(maybe 4 i forget) I dominated street B using 1 amp, 1 sub, and a small optima, which i bought and paid for myself for £550. My system played music and would do 149dB. My car was not a panda it was a 306 so made out of tinfoil, it also had a sunroof which made it far from ideal. However I worked at it, and chose my kit carefully, with the knowledge I have gained since I think it could be dong 150+ now with the same kit and yes still a music player!

i do hate people winging, the street classes ae no worse than they were before.
Not everyone who is competive in street is sponsored in anyway. 3 years ago(maybe 4 i forget) I dominated street B using 1 amp, 1 sub, and a small optima, which i bought and paid for myself for £550. My system played music and would do 149dB. My car was not a panda it was a 306 so made out of tinfoil, it also had a sunroof which made it far from ideal. However I worked at it, and chose my kit carefully, with the knowledge I have gained since I think it could be dong 150+ now with the same kit and yes still a music player!

funny how the folks who actually spend time testing and GET results don't actually winge :) food for thought - at the end of the day you get back what you put in :D that is what any challenge is about :)

I think Adam has hit the nail on the head from the testing and small changes we have made and about £350 pounds spent on our panda we jumped from a 160db to 162db and im sure in time we will get louder. :)

I think 1 important word is still missing from some peoples posts, that is `draft`, the rules may change, but perhaps not, but like everything in the world, you only get back what you put in.

with all due respect a 'newcomer' shouldn't be competitive...
i can't think of any sport where a newbie has a chance of winning in their first few months....
even with kit/money limits it would come down to knowledge, again a certain few people would dominate.....

*ahem* Lewis Hamilton


lol

"It's the taking part, not the wining that counts"!!

I think the introduction of the new Freestyle class is great, allowing newcomers to come to an event, have a go, see how loud they are, and if they are amongst the loudest take home a trophy, but not then dominate the whole season.

There are relatively minor changes in the Street classes, and if anything they make is slightly cheaper to have a competitive car. Extreme, since the overall records often seem to be held in EX1 does it really matter to bulk all classes into one?

As for not being able to turn up in a daily driver and be competitve...

There are a few cars around, which have had much time, effort and experience put into them, which are very had to compete with, however, there is nothing wrong with achieving 2nd or 3rd place, and beating your own record, or expectations.

The aim of an event is to enjoy it, learn and improve, plus have fun.

I hope to see more people competing in DBDrag year by year, which can only be a good thing :D

*ahem* Lewis Hamilton


lol

i'm pretty sure if you called lewis a newcomer to motor racing he'd be ****ed off!
new to F1 but racing most of his life.....