right just worked out in the bulk pack of brown bread u get 64 sq ft of sound deadening, this is brown bread premium.. top of brown bread range.
thatis 100£

second skin damplifier pro, again top of second sklin range is 36 sq ft almost half that of brown bread, and costs 30£ more????

is something wrong with my calculations? or is second skin D Pro that much better!?

i only ask cos i wanted to order now so i can have for thursday to get started on deadening of my car :)

I doubt it would be twice as good, maybe 20-30% better, so probably better to go for the brown bread

No its just that brown bread is no frills. I have just bought the brown bread. ;)

For the price difference you could double up on the brown bread and im sure 2 layers of brown bread would be better than 1 SS ;)

No its just that brown bread is no frills. I have just bought the brown bread. ;)

For the price difference you could double up on the brown bread and im sure 2 layers of brown bread would be better than 1 SS ;)

thats what i thought,,

wht u mean no frills??? does that decrease my bling factor :lol:

mind you, if it is 20-30% better, i may well rather second skin but tbh i cant see it being 30% better then what is already a top notch sound deadener.

20-30% better still isnt worth it, cos you get almost twice the amount of BB, if you use all of it it will be far better than 36sq ft of the other

Just get BB and don't be a brand whore :p

1.55£ per square ft of brown bread

3.60 per square ft of second skin

u can indeed double up and still be cheaper, but nothing is without reason, so just wondering where the extra 2£ per square foot goes to??

shipping ;)

From what I understand:

They're two different materials, damplifier is Butyl (IIRC) and BB is Bitumen.

Damplifier pro has a much higher heat tolerance and is (arguably) better at deadening per its unit mass. However these come at a price.

Personally I use BB because like you say I feel two layers will be better than one of other products.

Also bear in mind in some competitions you are limited to the number of layers so you want the best per layer, not per pound.

If its purely about covering the largest area for the least cash the BB wins hands down. However if you want the best performance and application in critical areas (like doors) then SS is a far superior product (in quality and performance terms)

Mike

From what I understand:

They're two different materials, damplifier is Butyl (IIRC) and BB is Bitumen.



Isnt BB premium the butyl based one?

Isnt BB premium the butyl based one?

No all BB is Bitchumen based

Damplifier pro has a much higher heat tolerance and is (arguably) better at deadening per its unit mass. However these come at a price.



cool, but the heat tolerance will never be reached in standard weather??

so other then that what other advantages/disadtanges are there between the two materials???

cool, but the heat tolerance will never be reached in standard weather??

so other then that what other advantages/disadtanges are there between the two materials???

weight, ease of application and smell ;)

ss would be lighter to and less work,some say bb is hander to work with.

gaz

I guess you all have seen Don Sambrooks - aka Rudeboys webpage:
www.sounddeadenershowdown.com?

EDIT: I'm ordering RAAMmat BXT and Ensolite as CAD won't ship outside the UK unfortunatly.

hmm brown bread asphalt based, meaning its not worthwhile?? "live risky"

whereas butyl based is really expensive, and CAD dont do the butyl and asphalt one?

the more i read the more confused i get??

people say brown bread is fine, yet that report says its not that great,

whereas everyone says second skin is good,,, though just damn expensive,,

where do you get this raammat bxt from? this seems to be best of both worlds nd flippin good price too !

basically raaammat is better then brown bread, but also cheaper??

edit: sorry this is using brown bread, not brown bread premium! ignore !

Having had a load of asphalt based stuff fail on me recently, I don't care that SS is twice the price... atleast it isn't going to fall off.

asphalt --> asphalt/butly---->butyl

where does bitumen fit in this chain of "goodness"

asphalt is like bitumen, butyl is a rubber

so asphalt is as "bad" as bitumen?

Do remember that we don't get the temps like they do in the states so some of the heat tests are less of an issue for "us" (even less so for me :))

I got quoted US$70 for freight on two rolls of BXT and some Ensolite (standard USPS package) :)

whereas SS charged US$160 for almost the same weight :shake:

so some of the heat tests are less of an issue for "us" (even less so for me :))
I would have thought the same too, until my asphalt based mat started removing itself from the metal.

I would have thought the same too, until my asphalt based mat started removing itself from the metal.

so if asphalt is like bitumen, then will it also remove itself from the car?? im definitly not gonna use asphalt! lol i dont want to risk messing about!

I hae used normal BB on my front doors and i haven't had any problems with it falling off. Just make sure you clean the panels down first

think ive decided, 36ish will cover all your car,, and with the premium bulk, i can cover car twice,,,, IF NEEDED. point is i may not need to :)

think ive decided, 36ish will cover all your car,, and with the premium bulk, i can cover car twice,,,, IF NEEDED. point is i may not need to :)
Snob :p

No seriouly mate let me know how you find it

lol !

u reckon its not worth buying so much then? could i get away quite easily with a bit less??

me of all people is not snobby,,, im a student for gods sake! ;)

I put a Dynamat Xtreme bulk pack in my Seicento (ie, a tiny car) had enough for 2 layers on the rear quarters and 2-3 layers on the boot floor / rear seat area. 1 layer just wasn't "dead" enough for me.

Another bulk pack (but probably try SS this time) should be enough to do all the other areas.

lol !

u reckon its not worth buying so much then? could i get away quite easily with a bit less??

me of all people is not snobby,,, im a student for gods sake! ;)

I student with a few pennies because your buying a steg amp aren't ya ;)

I would just go for the BB TBH mate, but its up to you

I put a Dynamat Xtreme bulk pack in my Seicento (ie, a tiny car) had enough for 2 layers on the rear quarters and 2-3 layers on the boot floor / rear seat area. 1 layer just wasn't "dead" enough for me.

Another bulk pack (but probably try SS this time) should be enough to do all the other areas.


wasnt dead enough? fiat maybe :lol:

ill see how it goes :)

btw mate... "brought" a steg ;) waiting delivery

wasnt dead enough? fiat maybe :lol:


How very dare you! :clown:

How very dare you! :clown:

I have the same problem with my car :(

I have the same problem with my car :(

french, italian,,,,, enough said... haha!

gimme some german engineering! :clown:

lol only kidden fellas :) they have their plus sides,, like their small... lol oo and light! thats good...

will let you all know how it goes on :)

hold up, almost forgot raamat.

62.5 sq ft for 118$ roughly 70£ plus postage (sonus?70$) around 40£

so 110 + 12.25 for tax on the roll.

and its a butyl product, and does better then brown bread. hmm decisions decisions, think either raamat or brownbreadP. meh

french, italian,,,,, enough said... haha!

gimme some german engineering! :clown:

lol only kidden fellas :) they have their plus sides,, like their small... lol oo and light! thats good...

will let you all know how it goes on :)

Thought you might wanna know CAD don't have any BB bulk in stock :neutral:

I don't know what to buy now :(

Thought you might wanna know CAD don't have any BB bulk in stock :neutral:

I don't know what to buy now :(

i just put 2 ss pro door kits and a trunk kit in an escort mk6 and its a pleasure to work with, just cut a size stick and roll it no heat gun or hairdryer:clown: needed, and if you do it wrong you can just pull it off and stick it down again

the 12 ft door kit was enough to put a layer on the outer skin and inside skin and have about 3.5 sq ft left, knocking on the door it sounded solid

we knocked on the wheel well in the boot before deadening and it made a loud dong, 1 layer of ss all over and knocked it it sounded like solid oak

very impressed also pimp my ride only use second skin damplifier pro on there cars:)

ss if your listening i could be your sales rep:D

Also bought SSDPro for my boot but haven't installed it yet. Same price as DynExt. Ease of application, thickness and the SoundDeadenerShowdown test won it for me over the cheaper alternatives.

btw mate... "brought" a steg ;) waiting delivery

btw "bought" a steg would make more sense ;)

i thought you were trying to keep weight down in this car?
you know what they say, "do it cheap, do it twice"
personally i think i'll be going for a bulk pack of damp pro and a bucket of sludge :)

Im not to sure about the sludge idea seems dodgy to me

btw "bought" a steg would make more sense ;)

i thought you were trying to keep weight down in this car?
you know what they say, "do it cheap, do it twice"
personally i think i'll be going for a bulk pack of damp pro and a bucket of sludge :)

yeah "less wieght" and "loud car audio" shouldnt be put together.... think ive given up on that idea! lol its not as if i drive a real sports car! so kinda changed my mind. also hoping it might keep my led foot at bay.

part of me wants to go for the SS stuff cos its so good... but the value of something like raaamat just seems to good?? and it is a pretty good deadener, and if needs more,,, well theres plenty left over! 62.5 sq ft per roll.. for less then the price of BB.P

tbh im still in mixed minds, now deciding between going all out on SS, 1 layer job done, or RAAMat .

raamat not cheap, jsut good value. "cheap" is something whcih costs low and rubbish :)

french, italian,,,,, enough said... haha!

gimme some german engineering! :clown:

lol only kidden fellas :) they have their plus sides,, like their small... lol oo and light! thats good...

will let you all know how it goes on :)


E30s are not the most sound proofed of cars btw ;)

dark_sounds - the freight quote was for TWO rolls of Raamat and 6 yards of ensolite and came at US$68.67. Contact Rick McCallum at RAAMat, he's a top block and very happy to answer any of your questions. I'm ordering next week as long as I get no more unknown bills, as I did this month :(.

wow so it works out cheaper then i calculated! if he can post that to norway no doubt the same or better to uk!

wow so it works out cheaper then i calculated! if he can post that to norway no doubt the same or better to uk!

Dont forget to add VAT at 17.5% the UK courier will ask for this to be paid by you on delivery. (and/or any customs charges if they intercept it)

Mike

OT - Mike - are there any plans to change your export policies?

Drop me a direct message via the support system with your address and requirements etc and i can see if i can raise a special export order for you ;)

http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/esupport/?_a=tickets&_m=submit

Mike - It was just a general inquiery (sp?) I'll save that link and get in touch when I need something next time.

i just put 2 ss pro door kits and a trunk kit in an escort mk6 and its a pleasure to work with, just cut a size stick and roll it no heat gun or hairdryer:clown: needed, and if you do it wrong you can just pull it off and stick it down again

the 12 ft door kit was enough to put a layer on the outer skin and inside skin and have about 3.5 sq ft left, knocking on the door it sounded solid

we knocked on the wheel well in the boot before deadening and it made a loud dong, 1 layer of ss all over and knocked it it sounded like solid oak

very impressed also pimp my ride only use second skin damplifier pro on there cars:)

ss if your listening i could be your sales rep:D

This is really getting to the point. Heat tolerance was important to test to figure out why asphalt/bitumen was failing so often, but that only deals with whether or not the products were suitable for the purpose for which they are sold. When I started evaluating sound deadeners, I was trying to figure which product were made out of what material since the manufacturers were very vague - turns out only the asphalt/bitumen ones were being vague and in a way that implied they were made from butyl. That tells you something.

Asphalt mats need to be heated to achieve proper adhesion. The car may never get hot enough to cause the asphalt to melt, but since heat damage is cummulative, the heat gun you use to install it may be damaging it at the same time.

Butyl is a more effective damper at every ambient temperature, much more so above and below room temperature. Butyl doesn't smell and along with asphalt's odor come toxic fumes. Butyl is much easier to work with and once installed becomes part of the car. Its adhsive strength increases over time. Butyl is a much more consistent product so you don't run into the "bad batch" problems you do with asphalt whic is basically dug out of the ground.

Asphalt is better than nothing as long as it doesn't fail, true, but what other product discussed on this forum has such a low standard of performance? If one amp were half the cost of another, but the less expensive unit produced a fraction of the power and might burst into flames would anyone think it represented good value?

Brown Bread is the best of the asphalt mats, but it is left over from a time when the hard core were willing to take big risks for the improvement in sound quality. Butyl mats represent an alternative that is far superior in every aspect but price. Interestingly, there is more profit in the Brown Bread than in the Damplifier because asphalt is so much cheaper than butyl. That's the only reason asphalt is still being pushed.

If you were able to choose between Damplifier and RAAMmat, reasonable quality versus value considerations could be made. RAAMmat emphasized value and Damplifier quality. Dynamat Xtreme is closer to RAAMmat in quality and Damplifier in price, but without bulk importation it just isn't a great option. Any of the three will get the job done. Asphalt mats should really be compared to flashing tape. I used to believe that if you didn't care about your car and budget was the only consideration, asphalt is better than nothing and you may as well use flashing tape. Since people have started sending me data on the VOC dangers of asphalt I've had to add not caring about the health consequences. Now I've gotten to the point of believing that you will be better off in every way just using less butyl mat.

Do remember that we don't get the temps like they do in the states so some of the heat tests are less of an issue for "us" (even less so for me :))

I got quoted US$70 for freight on two rolls of BXT and some Ensolite (standard USPS package) :)

whereas SS charged US$160 for almost the same weight :shake:


For shipping from the states ask the supplier to ship USPS or united states postal service.

I Import a lot of stuff from the states and the price is generall less than half that of UPS / fed ex type prices. Also ask about the insurance side of it. I always pay the extra few bucks and the parcels never get lost.....much like our special delivery in the UK......


hth.