OK.. here’s your chance to show off your car audio talents, and possibly win a classy trophy for your efforts.. :)

The T14/EMMA event is on!! We’re bringing it to your doorstep.. so no excuses about having to travel too far.. ;)

Don’t be scared, or put off with the idea that your car audio system isn’t good enough to compete with. As if you dont give it a go you may never know just how good your system really is..:confused: and Pretty much all of you will be eligible to enter as Rookie’s – which means that you’ll be competing against other people who have never competed before this season too..

We don’t bite.. we’re just a bunch of car audio nuts just like you guy's and girl's, and you’ll already know a few of us anyhow.. ;) most of us have quite a few years of experience as competitor's or just in the car audio industry in general, and you never know, we might even be able to help you to improve your sound system..:cool:

There are limited spaces, so if you want to take part, and have a chance to win, you’ll need to enter!!

Entry fee is £20 for Rookies and £25 for all other classes

Registration is via the UK EMMA website, at http://uk.emmanet.com.

Link to the location of the event, and the details of the event are here: http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/icet/icet14.html

More details to follow closer to the event date, but if you have any questions in the meantime, let us know.. :)

EMMA UK

Will all wiring have to be secured etc in the Rookie class?

Will all wiring have to be secured etc in the Rookie class?


Hi Nawty.

In the ROOKIE classes you will be awarded points for the safe installation of your system.This does become more technical in the higher classes like pro-unlimited & expert as there is generally a lot more equipment & therefore a lot more wiring involved


The aim of our judging procedure help & not to criticise...:confused: so if there was some part of your wiring that could cause a short or was potentially damaging to your system you would be advised on it & how to correct the problem...:D

We would never start asking you to lift carpets or route about under your dash trying to find loose wires...:mad:

your system is judged on what we can see & what you show us a photo log is handy to have...;) as you can show how you have done certain things & this may even win you bonus points...:cool:

The thing is mate if the wiring of your system is not right its only going to cause you problems in the long run so in effect your helping yourself by getting it right in the first place...:smokin:

hope this helps.
best wishes.
ken...:D

I would just like to add that ALL the Judges are extremely helpful....

Big Kenny spent about half an hour sitting my car, after I'd been judged, offering advise and helping tune the car (as did Carlo & Ash and Anthony).

And I have to say she sounds far better!!!!!

With regards to the installation Pete Stewardson also offered some pointers.

So without a doubt I'd recommend joining in just for the feedback and advise!!

You wont get slated, at all, and your car/system will benefit from various sets of ears and avice from people whom are MEGA passionate and knowledgable (sp).

If you win a trophy, its always a bonus :raz:

Assuming I've got my kit installed properly by then (July is coming round rather quickly now :eek:) I'll be well up for this :)

Thanx for that Chris.

Now here is the opportunity for all of you to let us know WHAT YOU THINK !!!

Give us your opinions as apart from the fact that all of our judges are properly trained we are as new to this as you are and learning all of the time.:)

Our aim is to give competitor’s in the U.K. an alternative to the competition format’s that are out there at the moment and try to make it more accessible to newcomers and more relaxed for the seasoned competitor's after all it is supposed to be something we all enjoy doing.:D

If we are doing it right tell us..:D if we are not tell us..:cry: so we can put it right..:cool:

We are always open to constructive criticism and will take any constructive suggestions on board...:neutral:

We do appreciate your feedback as this helps us to give you guy's the competitor's what you want..:cool:

E.M.M.A. has been a long awaited competition format in the U.K. and hopefully we make it as competitor friendly as possible but to make it as good as we all want it to be we need your input and support.:cool:

So come on help us to help you.:raz:

kind regards.
ken...:D

Ken, the only criticism i would have so far, is something that IASCA have finally got right, and that is judging order. It's always good to know when you are going to have judges appear, so you can get the system running for sound judges, and the car ready for install judging. There's nothing worse than a judge appearing when you're in the middle of a sandwich! :clown: Also, this saves the judges time too.

Other than that, top marks so far. ;)

cheer's Nige.
this was a bit of an issue at the last event.:o As it was a rush job so to speak & I only had 2 weeks to get everything in place.:cry:

Now that we have the rest of our event's calendar in place & have plenty of time to sort things out our aim is to give all competitor's 10/15mins advance notice before there car is judged this will be the case for both sound & install.

Thank you for your input Nige.
regards.
ken.

Hi! Thinking about entering in the rookie just to see how my system could improve really! I haven't installed it myself though does this matter? It's a pretty simple install nothing fancy...does this matter? Cheers

Nope, not at all. As long as you are not sponsored, and are not in the Car Audio trade, and have not competed in EMMA before, you can go in Rookie. :)

brilliant cheers! I was just wondering about the wiring etc...as that made me think it had to be installed by you. Thanks:D

brilliant cheers! I was just wondering about the wiring etc...as that made me think it had to be installed by you. Thanks:D

hi mate.

its more or less what Nige has kindly explained except the part about if you have competed before.

the rule book state.

the competitor is eligible to compete in this category {ROOKIE}if he/she meets all of the following criteria;

two of the criteria are as follows.

"the vehicle has never competed in the amateur, pro or expert category before"

"The audio system can be installed by a professional installer"

Hope this clears things up for you mate..:)

Good luck..
ken.

P.S.
For anyone that is interested i still have a few rule books & C.D.s left they are really easy to understand & well worth investing in as the give you a full breakdown on how your car will be judged & also easy to follow staging diagrams that correspond with certain track's on the C.D. they are £19.95 this includes postage anyone wanting them please just P.M. me & i will get them out to you.

im pretty confident ill be having a go at t 14 , im not so lazy theesedays , lol

am i correct in saying that the fuse ratings need to match the cabel and NOT the amps max current draw ???

i remember some confusion ......and its late:clown:

im pretty confident ill be having a go at t 14 , im not so lazy theesedays , lol

am i correct in saying that the fuse ratings need to match the cabel and NOT the amps max current draw ???

i remember some confusion ......and its late:clown:

Hello again MR. Voice_Coil.


This is outlined in table II page 24 of the rule book. The table shows what maximum fuse that is allowed for the relevent wire size

There is another very useful table on page 23 of the rule book that is relevant to appropriate AWG / LENGTH & CURRENT DRAW . For the power wire in your system.

hope this helps.
best wishes.
ken.

Is there a date that you have to be entered by as I'm not entirely sure at the moment although there is a pretty good chance I'll go. For example can you enter on the day but for a bit more money?

I'm fairly sure with EMMA you can turn up on the day, pay your entrance and compete. The only trouble sometimes is that you may be restricted with the choice of classes available. For instance, if no-one up until that point had entered Rookie Unlimited, then the class won't be running at that event.

I'm sure Ken will confirm this next time he's on though. :)

o right I see! That's cool! Cheers!

hi mate.

Yes it is O.K. to enter on the day. but it is ALWAY'S better to pre-register as we set the categories on the pre - event entry list & as nige say's entering on the day would limit you choice of category.

best wishes.
ken...:D

so can i pre register and pay on the day ?

hmm very tempting to have a go and see whats what. Think id better get my ass in gear and have a go at finnishing and tidying up a few bits then. Have to double check i wont be working aswell. does presentation count in this catagory? i.e. boot build finnish etc?
cheers
R.B

so can i pre register and pay on the day ?

It is possible but we would much prefer it if you pay in advance as I would prefer not to take payment at the event as this just adds to the logistics.
If you pre - register you will receive a confirmation & receipt for your entry this makes it much easier for us to keep track of thing’s

Regards
Ken.

ill ask nige to do it as i dont have paypal. what other options of payment are there ?

hmm very tempting to have a go and see whats what. Think id better get my ass in gear and have a go at finnishing and tidying up a few bits then. Have to double check i wont be working aswell. does presentation count in this catagory? i.e. boot build finnish etc?
cheers
R.B

hi matey.

To answer your question.

Yeh,Some form of presentation is expected even if its just a system diagram that you can talk the judges through this also help break the ice for new competitor's our judge's are there to help you they dont bite so just talk to them you may get some very usefull feedback. If you have photo’s of things that you cant see you can show these to the judges & could be awarded more point’s
If you mean do you need a 500 page encyclopaedia on you system the answer is no...:cool:
Basically the more kit you have fitted & the more technical your install is the bigger & more complex your presentation would be...;)
If you have something that you regard as different / unique / trippy. In your install make sure you make the judges aware of it & explain how & why you have done it or did it this way as you may pick up bonus points.:cool:

Hope this clears thing up for you.
Cheers.
Ken.

ill ask nige to do it as i dont have paypal. what other options of payment are there ?

hi mate.
the easiest way is paypal but i know you dont have it so it would be fine if nige could sort it for you just explain in payment note that the payment is for your entry & include your address & contact number for your comfirmation & event tickets if needed or you could use cheque / postal order.
these would be payable to.

EMMA UK
17 Potters Way
Southend
SS2 5SJ
United Kingdom

Hope this helps mate.

cheers.
ken.

thanks ken either way if i am gonna compete @t14 ill make sure payments covered in advance :)

cheers matey.

best of luck.
ken.

I'll be up for this, I take it as there is not going to be a Pure passive category I'll be lumped in Rookie.

Can you confirm how you split the rookie classes for SQ, is it cost or amp power? Do you rate amps of their published ratings or what they actually do (I'm running an old Linear Power cheater amp).

Ta

i think there will be a lot more entrants at this one so it will feel so much better for the winners of whatever categorys....

puggie im 99% sure its based on r.r.p

Cool! how do they work out rrp. as I have no idea what the rrp of most of my kit is as its pretty much all 2nd hand!

I'll be up for this, I take it as there is not going to be a Pure passive category I'll be lumped in Rookie.

Can you confirm how you split the rookie classes for SQ, is it cost or amp power? Do you rate amps of their published ratings or what they actually do (I'm running an old Linear Power cheater amp).

Ta

hi puggie.

Not necessarily if there was enough interest and we have the judges to cover it we would concider running the pure passive category


To answer the rest of you question there are three devisions in the ROOKIE category these are.

ROOKIE 2000
ROOKIE 4000
ROOKIE UNLIMITED

they are based on your total cost of your system {including h/u} in Euro's just convert this to sterling and you have your class there is a little leaway as exchange rates change every day.

hope this helps mate.
ken.

Ahhh, I have something in my system that belonged to Panch so I'm probably in the unlimited category ;)

What if we don't know our kits original RRP's? I fear I may have wondered into the unlimited category :eek: :neutral:

EDIT: or, if the parts were not sold in the UK? do we convert $ to euro?

Hi Nawty.

Its like I said mate there is a little leeway and the original R.R.P. of most equipment isnt normally that hard to find.

The ROOKIE category has the divisions to try and make it fair and keep competitors on a level playing field from a budget perspective.

As everyone has there own personal preferences on the equipment they buy but most equipment has its own distinctive characteristics weather they be looks / features or performance related.

All we do is judge the overall combined performance of your system based on the relevant guide lines set out in our competition manual.

Kind regards.
Ken.

What if we don't know our kits original RRP's? I fear I may have wondered into the unlimited category :eek: :neutral:

EDIT: or, if the parts were not sold in the UK? do we convert $ to euro?

The fact that the classes were quoted in Euros was always going to be a bit of a tricky one. Just take the current exchange rate between the USD and the EUR and use that.

Let's be sensible about this please. If your kit is that close to the borderline on price, then better to be safe and move into the higher class. It'll save a lot of grief for everyone on the day.. :)

Panch

I understand that :)

But, if you take the equipment I have it is mostly around 10years old and I chose it because nowdays it has excellent price/performance ratio. However, I have no real idea about its original RRP's and it really could range from 2000 - unlimited and anyway, what with inflation etc how much can be read into 10 year old RRP's

Ultimately I don't really care what category I'm in because all I want is a fair appraisal of the sound quality and some advice on how it could be improved. :)

EDIT: Panch, this is why I suspect I'll be in unlimited despite the fact the whole system cost me less than £500 :) like I said, I don't mind and its more of a challenge!

Ahhh, I have something in my system that belonged to Panch so I'm probably in the unlimited category ;)
Bill, if you're still running the Veritas horns, you are DEFINITELY in Unlimited.. :lol:

Panch

looks like fun il be in the 4000 catagory I think

Nice 1 Thumper.

Good luck.

ken.

is there a rookie - sound only where cost wont be an issue??

i will be in the unlimited group....

is there a rookie - sound only where cost wont be an issue??

Hi Chris.

sorry mate...:cry:

The first category that has a sound only devision is Amateur but there are no cost issues in the ROOKIE UNLIMITED.category.

regards.
ken.

It is possible but we would much prefer it if you pay in advance as I would prefer not to take payment at the event as this just adds to the logistics.
If you pre - register you will receive a confirmation & receipt for your entry this makes it much easier for us to keep track of thing’s

Regards
Ken.

Hi ken.

I have pre-register on the website, but havent heard anything yet.
is this a mistake or what???

How do you want me to pay, in advance or on site??
I dont have paypal.

But i am really looking forward to compeed over there :smokin:

hi Kenneth.

You will get a confirmation for you registration in due course mate and if it is possible please send your entry fee by way of a cheque made payable to.

E.M.M.A. U.K.

the address is.

EMMA UK
17 Potters Way
Southend
SS2 5SJ
United Kingdom.

kind regards.
ken.

Hi,

some info for you guys. In the last Years it was always harder to win in Rookie 2000 and 4000 then in unlimited because of having a very similar Equipment in the limited classes. So the different was in the performance of the sound and very close. So don´t fear to go in higher classes.

greetz
the klettman

Hi Everyone.

It seems to have gone very quiet all of a sudden...:confused:

You must all be working on your systems gettin ready to compete with us ...:cool: :D

Anyway keep talkin guy's & if anyone needs any info please just ask as you will find there are E.M.M.A. competitors & officials from all over Europe that will happily offer help & advice.

best wishes.
ken.

im just chilling out here ken , ive nothing to add , just patiently waiting for the event :) :smokin:

Me too.

LMAO.
you guy's are just too...:cool: man...lol

Just chillin havin a bud !!! wwazzzzzzzzz upppp...:smokin: :smokin:

Best of luck lad's.
ken.

Hmm, might enter this to get a baseline for the system. Although not being able to tweak the sytem before july 7th could make it a hurried affair :lol:

Hmm, might enter this to get a baseline for the system. Although not being able to tweak the sytem before july 7th could make it a hurried affair :lol:
The event is on July 22nd mate.. gives you a little more time.. ;)

Panch

Can you just turn up and not pay to compete?

Hi mate think im up for it! Not sure what category I would be in! Thin rookie 2000 but not sure! I know the main aim is to get advice on your system etc. but just wonderimg how many peeps have passive systems as i'm thinking mine mioght be carp!

how long does the confirmation of registration take ? a week ??

hi.
you would normally receive confirmation once we have received & processed your entry & entry fee but it may take a few days to turn around.

regards
ken.

what entry fee is that then ?

i have registered and there was no parts asking for any kind of payment...........

how ironic, ive just got mail, lol

My system is no where near good enough to compete, but I'd love to come along, soak up the vibe and learn a lot. Is this possible, or do I have to compete to attend?

hi voice_coil.

just assumed as although you don't have to this is the way it is preferred & normally done as it saves having to handle cash at events & most people just use pay-pal for convenience & just pay entry
on-line when they register...:neutral:

I forgot you don't use it...sorry matey.

regards.
ken.

My system is no where near good enough to compete, but I'd love to come along, soak up the vibe and learn a lot. Is this possible, or do I have to compete to attend?
Not at all.. T14 is an open event for all forum members. We are just running an EMMA competition there for those that are interested. Just come along.. :) Don't forget though.. the aim of the competition is not purely to win.. ;) We offer advice too, so you could compete just to get an idea of what areas of your system still need improvement.. if any.. ;)

Panch

My system is no where near good enough to compete, but I'd love to come along, soak up the vibe and learn a lot. Is this possible, or do I have to compete to attend?

hello mate.

Anyone that uses the T.A. forum is welcome at this event as far as I'm aware so get yourself down there you will enjoy it.

As for competing what makes you think your ride ant good enough ????
Ive said it before & i will say it again YOU WILL NEVER UNLESS YOU GIVE IT A GO !!!!!!!!!:D :D

The thing is like Panch Say's whatever happens you will get a fair & impartial assessment on the system you are running & maybe some useful advice to help you get the best from it...:cool:

Its down to you at the end of the day weather or not you compete matey...;)

Either way it looks like it will be a good event & well worth a look at...:cool: :cool:

best wishes.
ken.

You guys have got me interested. I would be cool to get some advice on the system as it's definitely not perfect and I would love to be able to get it right.

If I do compete, do I rule myself out of the rookie class in the future? Also, I don't think I have any progress photos. Plus the wiring is not even remotely tidy in the boot. Do you get marked on what it looks like?

You guys have got me interested. I would be cool to get some advice on the system as it's definitely not perfect and I would love to be able to get it right.

If I do compete, do I rule myself out of the rookie class in the future? Also, I don't think I have any progress photos. Plus the wiring is not even remotely tidy in the boot. Do you get marked on what it looks like?

hello again matey.

As long as you meet the requirements in the rule book you can still compete in the rookie classes...:cool: :cool:

As for your wiring its in your own best interest to have it SAFE & tidy as you don't want your system going up in smoke matey...:cry: :cry: That would sting a bit

A photo log is always handy too have as it helps you to explain your system/install to the judges & can acquire you more points :D

regards.
ken.

hello again matey.

As long as you meet the requirements in the rule book you can still compete in the rookie classes...:cool: :cool:

As for your wiring its in your own best interest to have it SAFE & tidy as you don't want your system going up in smoke matey...:cry: :cry: That would sting a bit

A photo log is always handy too have as it helps you to explain your system/install to the judges & can acquire you more points :D

regards.
ken.

Thanks. The wiring is all safe, it's just loosely sat on top of the boot carpet! When is the closing date for entries?

hi
the easiest way to enter is on-line at >>>

http://uk.emmanet.com


all of the details are on here.
the cut-off for on-line entries is usually about a week before the event.

hope this helps..

best of luck
ken...:)

things have changed for me and in the typical competition fashion i will be rushing to get my car in order , LOL


just thought id pop in and say so , and that im looking forwards to being judged by the emma crowd :)

c u there....

hey, might be turning up at t14 in a mates car wiht him driving.

now i work from home doing audio installs, so does the system i have installed in the back of his car count as being professionaly installed? also belive it'd be in rookie 2000 as theres under 1Ks worth of gear iirc.
more than likely the car would be marked up wiht "kaoskustoms" stickers. would that then count it as being sponsered? which he isnt, i just loan him spare equipment.
what else would be needed?


many thanks

things have changed for me and in the typical competition fashion i will be rushing to get my car in order , LOL


just thought id pop in and say so , and that im looking forwards to being judged by the emma crowd :)

c u there....

It'll be good to see you there Chris.. you never know.. you might draw the short straw and have me judging you.. ;) :lol:

Panch

hey, might be turning up at t14 in a mates car wiht him driving.

now i work from home doing audio installs, so does the system i have installed in the back of his car count as being professionaly installed? also belive it'd be in rookie 2000 as theres under 1Ks worth of gear iirc.
more than likely the car would be marked up wiht "kaoskustoms" stickers. would that then count it as being sponsered? which he isnt, i just loan him spare equipment.
what else would be needed?


many thanks

If you charged him for the install (to be proven be receipt) its not Pro. Stickers are no problem...

ah nope no charge, he needed bass and i have gear laying around while my vans being repaired.

thats good, now to see if we can turn up.

lol @ panch , as long as you enjoy my system , im happy to have you judge it :)


see you there though for sure ;)

hey, might be turning up at t14 in a mates car wiht him driving.

now i work from home doing audio installs, so does the system i have installed in the back of his car count as being professionally installed? also believe it'd be in rookie 2000 as theres under 1Ks worth of gear iirc.
more than likely the car would be marked up wiht "kaoskustoms" stickers. would that then count it as being sponsored? which he isn't, i just loan him spare equipment.
what else would be needed?


many thanks

hi matey.

In all honesty mate.

you know yourself if your mates car is sponsored or not !!!:confused:

all we are trying to do is run a fair & honest sound off format for you guy's.:neutral:

so at the end of the day if you have sponsored the car you would be loosing out by not putting it in a PRO. category with your name or business name on it as it may take a place or wins its class & that could only be good for you...:cool:

If it is not sponsored & the guy who the car belongs too is not affiliated with the car audio industry & can provide receipts for his system & install if reqired to then by all means he would be entitled to enter a ROOKIE class as long as he meets the rest of the requirements for these classes.

Not being an ass. but this is were the rule book comes in handy bud !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so all we can do is trust you...:neutral:

all the best either way.
ken...:D

hmm, will look in to a rule book. basicaly i installed my spare equipment in his car while i dont need it. so no reciepts , i dont sponsor him, but it might have stickers on it as to who installed the equipment.

Whats the closing date for entries? I cant see.

lol @ panch , as long as you enjoy my system , im happy to have you judge it :)


see you there though for sure ;)

Oh I always enjoy what I do.. otherwise I wouldn't do it.. ;)

I will also always give an honest opinion, so if it needs work.. I'll tell you.. :) and hopefully give you some pointers too..

Panch

Whats the closing date for entries? I cant see.
Hi mate.. soon.. ;) so get your entry in..

Panch

hmm, will look in to a rule book. basicaly i installed my spare equipment in his car while i dont need it. so no reciepts , i dont sponsor him, but it might have stickers on it as to who installed the equipment.

hello again.

Stickers & decals are not a problem mate as there a thousands of cars out there with J.V.C. Alpine & other manufacturers stickers or decals in their windows or on the bodywork but that doesn't mean they are sponsored..

The thing is that if you have supplied & fitted the system in your mates car free of charge & you are a registered business then yes it would seem like you have sponsored the guy..:cry:

If the above is not the case then no you haven't sponsored him.:D

all we can do is trust your word but this is a very tricky one mate..:confused:

sorry i couldn't be of more help but this is a tricky one..:(

Either way good luck mate.
ken..:D

PayPal options for payment,, still a bit lost on this one.. want to give you some money,, but ...! come on EMMA, let me give you soome money.. how can I buy things of your site using Pay Pal or is this not an option at the moment..

PayPal options for payment,, still a bit lost on this one.. want to give you some money,, but ...! come on EMMA, let me give you soome money.. how can I buy things of your site using Pay Pal or is this not an option at the moment..

Hi MAX.

you should be able to pay by PAYPAL no probs mate just make your paypal payment payable to this E - MAIL address >>>>

http://adminuk@emmanet.com

& it should be sorted..:)

cheers.
ken.

Hi MAX.

you should be able to pay by PAYPAL no probs mate just make your paypal payment payable to this E - MAIL address >>>>

http://adminuk@emmanet.com

& it should be sorted..:)

cheers.
ken.

So when I am on the site and I chose my two items and get to the bit that says method of payment,, do I chose "Transfer on receipt of invoice by email"

So when I am on the site and I chose my two items and get to the bit that says method of payment,, do I chose "Transfer on receipt of invoice by email"
Hi Erskine, give me a call tomorrow on my mobile.. I think you might not be on the UK Emmanet site, but the international one instead, as we don't have any payment methods on the UK one.. ;)

You should have received an email last Sunday requesting that you pay the following Paypal account.. adminuk@emmanet.com. Did you not received the email?

Panch

Hi Erskine, give me a call tomorrow on my mobile.. I think you might not be on the UK Emmanet site, but the international one instead, as we don't have any payment methods on the UK one.. ;)

You should have received an email last Sunday requesting that you pay the following Paypal account.. adminuk@emmanet.com. Did you not received the email?

PanchOkay Panch,, I have just gone to PayPal and paid in £53.35 to cover the cost of my entrance and also my shop order,, hope this was the correct way to do things as I can not find the email that you sent me.. I did get it but :whatever:

panch can you kindly remind me when the close date is plz for payment via paypal...